The prison food and burkini ban dual thread

[viper37]

Yet France still has holidays named and designated for Catholic holidays.

So?  Should they bring back the 1st Republic calendar to be truly secular?

[Valmy]

Yet France still has holidays named and designated for Catholic holidays.

So?  Should they bring back the 1st Republic calendar to be truly secular?

Yes...yes they should. Hey how are you celebrating the sans-culottides this year?

[DGuller]

I like the British bacon from happy pigs, but I always crisp the fat. American bacon appears to be what we would call streaky bacon, also very good as long as the fat is crisped.

The key is to have a happy animal at the time of the slaughter. The happy hormones transmit through the meat, and lead to a better dining experience.

This is where American factory farms really excel. By keeping animals in obscenely small cages without access to sunlight, they are so happy to see that slaughter is about to put their misery to an end.

[garbon]

Yet France still has holidays named and designated for Catholic holidays.

So?  Should they bring back the 1st Republic calendar to be truly secular?

So secularism is the shit unless it interferes with tradition/days off?

[viper37]

So secularism is the shit unless it interferes with tradition/days off?

People will get their day off anyway.  Does it really need to be a law that it will be called something else than Christmas or Easter?  We celebrate Patriot's day while Canada celebrates Victoria Day.  Most folk around here still call it Fête de Dollard (Dollar des Ormeaux's birthday).

I honestly don't care how it's called.  It doesn't interfere with secularism.

[garbon]

Yeah religious symbolism supported by the State...

[Sheilbh]

In the UK we stayed mostly at B&Bs, which meant a lot of Full English breakfasts, complete with floppy british bacon.  Edible, but not my favourite.

I fear our reputation for shit service intervened here. Crispy bacon is a common request people tolerate and accommodate

My mum only eats crispy bacon. And I'm not far off

[11B4V]

Ramen FTW

http://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/restaurantsandnews/ramen-noodles-are-becoming-a-crucial-currency-in-prison-because-inmates-get-so-little-food/ar-BBvUGZ2?ocid=ansmsnfood11&OCID=ansmsnnews11

[viper37]

Yeah religious symbolism supported by the State...

not really.  St-Jean-Baptiste started as a religious day, but it's a civic day now, and it's called National Holyday.  There are still people who chose to go to mass on this day, but that does not make it a religious day anymore.  Would you suggest we move the date to, oh, July 3rd instead?  What goal would that accomplish?

[CountDeMoney]

Ramen FTW

Yeah, there's a lot of that on the inside.  Rammin'.

[garbon]

Yeah religious symbolism supported by the State...

not really.  St-Jean-Baptiste started as a religious day, but it's a civic day now, and it's called National Holyday.  There are still people who chose to go to mass on this day, but that does not make it a religious day anymore.  Would you suggest we move the date to, oh, July 3rd instead?  What goal would that accomplish?

If you are going to have a society that makes a woman strip off some of her garments in public in the name of good moral and secularism, then yeah I think one should expect to be called out for hypocrisy (and racism) if you religious symbolism enshrined in state holidays.

To be honest, you are surprising me a bit given how much grievance you attach to symbolism.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach

[Martinus]

Catholic religious holidays and bikinis are part of the French culture. Halal slaughter and burkinis aren't. France, wisely, believes in superiority of its own culture over others, and does not subscribe to the false and harmful ideology of multiculturalism.

If you don't like the French culture, the best solution is not to live in France.

If you feel like "sunbathing" while wearing a duvet or a beekeper suit, a better choice for you could be Doha than Saint Tropez.

[MadImmortalMan]

I like the British bacon from happy pigs, but I always crisp the fat. American bacon appears to be what we would call streaky bacon, also very good as long as the fat is crisped.

The key is to have a happy animal at the time of the slaughter. The happy hormones transmit through the meat, and lead to a better dining experience.

This is where American factory farms really excel. By keeping animals in obscenely small cages without access to sunlight, they are so happy to see that slaughter is about to put their misery to an end.

Have you ever actually been on a farm? 

[garbon]

Catholic religious holidays and bikinis are part of the French culture. Halal slaughter and burkinis aren't. France, wisely, believes in superiority of its own culture over others, and does not subscribe to the false and harmful ideology of multiculturalism.

If you don't like the French culture, the best solution is not to live in France.

If you feel like "sunbathing" while wearing a duvet or a beekeper suit, a better choice for you could be Doha than Saint Tropez.

Which is fine and they should be plain in saying so. Not hide behind the values of 'good morals and secularism' as that's naught but a fig leaf.

Somehow, I very much doubt that the authorities would care if someone was sitting at the beach under a duvet or in a beekeeper suit.

[Martinus]

Which is fine and they should be plain in saying so. Not hide behind the values of 'good morals and secularism' as that's naught but a fig leaf.

Didn't we have the same discussion when we were arguing whether the US President should come out and say that the US is at war with Islamism - I thought at the time it was decided that explicit and plain rhetorics is less important than achieving strategic goals. Same here, I suppose?