The prison food and burkini ban dual thread

[garbon]

Sounds like you need to check out the news. Cannes and Nice have specifically banned the burkini.

It's against the law, and it's been upheld by the tribunals, but it has nothing to do with the images you posted.  And it's a pretty damn good law.  I just wish more countries would imitate France, we'd have less problems with militant islam by now.

This was about a woman wearing a simple weil at the beach and being harassed by overzealous cops.

Wow. I'm not sure given 2016 that I'd say 2015 or 2016 has been doing a good job with militant islam. Nor how banning fashion choices has had any impact on level of violence.

that secularism concerns all religions.

I think I need a link. I don't really understand this at all.

It's a religious symbol, one that is imposed by muslim integrists.  Women not wearing these clothes are considered to be without honor and deserving of punishment, according to these associations.  As such, it's a good thing that you don't give them any inch to grow.  You could look at the propaganda from Collectif contre l'islamophobie en France, or any such institution in Canada that talks of islamophobia.  They're the first ones to invite radical imams to preach their hatred of occidental freedoms over here.

Religion is private, just like sex.  You'll be sanctionned if you have sex in public, and religion should be just the same.  Keep your Faith at home or in a specific building with other consenting people.  There are actually people who don't care about that stuff and want to live free.  And we deserve respect too.

(Going down the rabbit hole) So why aren't we banning nun habits in public? That's religion in public, surely.

Also seems a bit paternalistic. How do you know that women where such garb don't actually want to wear it? How do you know it is only because men are forcing them too?

[garbon]

Religion is private, just like sex.  You'll be sanctionned if you have sex in public, and religion should be just the same.  Keep your Faith at home or in a specific building with other consenting people.  There are actually people who don't care about that stuff and want to live free.  And we deserve respect too.

There is almost always a problem when "freedom" is defined as "my freedom to be free of having to put up with you being all 'in my face' about your identity".

Particularly as it is always just a mask for 'I don't really like when people in group x, do x.'

[Valmy]

I sent you PM about that apologizing.  The thought occurred to me that I should put a trigger warning in my sig.

Hey man you do you.

[Valmy]

(Going down the rabbit hole) So why aren't we banning nun habits in public? That's religion in public, surely.

Well nuns have been attacked by the French State in the past. And actually I do think their habits are banned in certain public spaces. I do not recall the details though.

[Malthus]

And actually I do think their habits are banned in certain public spaces. I do not recall the details though.

Only their bad habits.


[ducks, runs]

[Razgovory]

Religion is private, just like sex.  You'll be sanctionned if you have sex in public, and religion should be just the same.  Keep your Faith at home or in a specific building with other consenting people.  There are actually people who don't care about that stuff and want to live free.  And we deserve respect too.

Except it isn't.  Religion has always been a public activity, moreover it is a integral part of a person's life.  You demanding not to see people with religiously inspired garb in public is the same as some Saudi cleric demanding that short pants not be worn in public.

[garbon]

Ooh some people would have been apoplectic. I saw so many women wearing hijabs on my 7 minute walk from my office to tube station (one in a niqab). I lost track after 30 but probably saw at least 40.

[The Brain]

Short pants shouldn't be worn in the city. Also, what the fuck is wrong with Americans? You can't wear a fucking hockey shirt outside your home as an adult!

[Sheilbh]

You take one isolated incident that happenned over the weekend, one incident were a lot of the locals took the defense of that poor women, to generalize about a policy that is only meant to protect democracy from the encroachment of religion.

One isolated incident in a country with a far right party leading the polls, where the mainstream right candidates have been talking about a 'Christian Republic' and one of them kicked off their campaign by promising to ban non-pork meals from schools.

Personally I'm relatively uncomfortable with armed, male police standing around making a woman conform to a dress code. But, the French, God bless them, have never really done liberalism.

Ooh some people would have been apoplectic. I saw so money women wearing hijabs on my 7 minute walk from my office to tube station (one in a niqab). I lost track after 30 but probably saw at least 40.

It is kind of interesting that in France this has support from the far-left to the far-right including the Socialists and the Gaullists, though obviously not universal. I don't think I've seen anyone in Britain left of UKIP who is okay with it.

[garbon]

Curious how the way to make sure a woman isn't being oppressed is to oppress her.

[Sheilbh]

Curious how the way to make sure a woman isn't be oppressed is to oppress her.

Yeah.

But it reminds me of the whole French (and some other continental European) approaches to this. Liberalism is a superior way of life that is so fragile and unattractive that it must be enforced by the state

[Barrister]

You can't wear a fucking hockey shirt outside your home as an adult!

Them's fighting words, son.

[The Brain]

You can't wear a fucking hockey shirt outside your home as an adult!

Them's fighting words, son.

What are you gonna do? Pleat on me?

[garbon]

You can't wear a fucking hockey shirt outside your home as an adult!

Them's fighting words, son.

What are you gonna do? Pleat on me?

Pelt you with milk bags.

[Malthus]

You can't wear a fucking hockey shirt outside your home as an adult!

Them's fighting words, son.

What are you gonna do? Pleat on me?

BB and the Brain?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFE35vyCqVw