The prison food and burkini ban dual thread

[Valmy]

floppy, undercooked British bacon.

Oh man. That sounds fantastic

[Richard Hakluyt]

I like the British bacon from happy pigs, but I always crisp the fat. American bacon appears to be what we would call streaky bacon, also very good as long as the fat is crisped.

[garbon]

British bacon is the only true bacon.
Its so hard to find real bacon abroad

Actually even in your own country it isn't. I've had many sandwiches that say bacon and you have to look closely at container to tell what kind they mean.

[garbon]

American bacon appears to be what we would call streaky bacon, also very good as long as the fat is crisped.

It is good if the whole thing is crisp.

[Razgovory]

Well, tell that to a pig farmer who is suddenly out of job because a politically correct prison administration stops buying his produce because some criminal savage refuses to eat bacon cuz his moon god told him so.

Martinus, man of the people?

Presumably, btw, the prison wouldn't be buying excess bacon anyway given that they know certain inmates won't eat it. Even if you didn't want to offer alternative, no use buying more bacon than will actually be consumed.

That's true - my problem was with the Sheilbh's "great idea" of just stopping buying pork altogether and feeding chicken and beef to everyone.

Your problem is you want to stick it to Muslims and Jews.  They don't serve a lot of goat, lutefisk, or fried grasshopper in prison either.  Are you worried that your tax dollars are not supporting the grasshopper collectors?

[garbon]

Well, tell that to a pig farmer who is suddenly out of job because a politically correct prison administration stops buying his produce because some criminal savage refuses to eat bacon cuz his moon god told him so.

Martinus, man of the people?

Presumably, btw, the prison wouldn't be buying excess bacon anyway given that they know certain inmates won't eat it. Even if you didn't want to offer alternative, no use buying more bacon than will actually be consumed.

That's true - my problem was with the Sheilbh's "great idea" of just stopping buying pork altogether and feeding chicken and beef to everyone.

Your problem is you want to stick it to Muslims and Jews.  They don't serve a lot of goat, lutefisk, or fried grasshopper in prison either.  Are you worried that your tax dollars are not supporting the grasshopper collectors?

Buddy, you need to settle down.

[viper37]

You can have it your way but don't get crazy.

where does it stops?

[Barrister]

American bacon appears to be what we would call streaky bacon, also very good as long as the fat is crisped.

It is good if the whole thing is crisp.

In the UK we stayed mostly at B&Bs, which meant a lot of Full English breakfasts, complete with floppy british bacon.  Edible, but not my favourite.

But we stayed a week at a cottage, so we did our own cooking.  And I did buy some british (well scottish ) bacon.  When cooked to crispy it was delicious.

[garbon]

You can have it your way but don't get crazy.

where does it stops?

[alfred russel]

I like the British bacon from happy pigs, but I always crisp the fat. American bacon appears to be what we would call streaky bacon, also very good as long as the fat is crisped.

The key is to have a happy animal at the time of the slaughter. The happy hormones transmit through the meat, and lead to a better dining experience.

This is where American factory farms really excel. By keeping animals in obscenely small cages without access to sunlight, they are so happy to see that slaughter is about to put their misery to an end.

[Razgovory]

Well, tell that to a pig farmer who is suddenly out of job because a politically correct prison administration stops buying his produce because some criminal savage refuses to eat bacon cuz his moon god told him so.

Martinus, man of the people?

Presumably, btw, the prison wouldn't be buying excess bacon anyway given that they know certain inmates won't eat it. Even if you didn't want to offer alternative, no use buying more bacon than will actually be consumed.

That's true - my problem was with the Sheilbh's "great idea" of just stopping buying pork altogether and feeding chicken and beef to everyone.

Your problem is you want to stick it to Muslims and Jews.  They don't serve a lot of goat, lutefisk, or fried grasshopper in prison either.  Are you worried that your tax dollars are not supporting the grasshopper collectors?

Buddy, you need to settle down.

We have this debate every so often and it always boils down to the same thing.

[Razgovory]

Keeping inmates "happy" is actually a major concern.  A happy inmate is less likely to stab a guard.  Also if you don't provide food that falls within the dietary restrictions of certain inmates you are going to face hunger strikes.

While I agree that we should try to prevent situations that lead one prisoner to stab a guard or another prisoner, I don't understand why we should care if someone goes on a hunger strike.  They wanna starve themselves, let 'em

Prisons are required by law to keep the inmates alive.  That's part of the deal.

Well, I wasn't talking just about prisoner hunger strikes;  I was also considering hunger strikes by political activists.  But as far as prisoners are concerned, how far does the law go in requiring the prison to keep them alive?  A mentally competent adult can refuse medical treatment, even if they are suffering from a condition which will be fatal if untreated, but can be treated with a high probability of success.  Do you lose the right to refuse treatment when you're in prison?

Beyond that, I'm suggesting that the law shouldn't require prisons to force feed a prisoner to keep them alive if the prisoner doesn't want to eat.

I think the food has to be something they will eat.  You can not for instance, shit in a bowel and serve it them.

[Duque de Bragança]

Meanwhile Sarko launches his campaign with a policy to ban non-pork meals in schools.

Another empty promise. Primary elections time!

[Malthus]

How is this problem dealt with in other institutional feeding situations like hospitals? Is it particularly onerous or difficult there? I have no idea.

private hospitals and schools will developp to offer such foods to their clients, for a price.
but the State has no business catering to the individual needs of each and every single religion or life philosophy on earth to suit everyone, especially in prisons.

My question was 'how much of a problem is this in reality'. Presumably, having to feed all sorts of folks with differing dietary concerns is an issue in all sorts of settings, more than just in prisons, and my suspicion (given I lack any sort of data either way) is that they are somehow able to handle it without enormously higher costs.

One such setting is public hospitals, but I am sure there are plenty others: school cafeterias for example.

The issue of not providing alternatives, as far as I know, emerges most controversially in France, where local governments of a right-wing type are or were busy shutting down *existing* school lunch programs that provided (until now) alternatives for religious Jews and Muslims. Interestingly, I haven't seen the news articles concerning that issue advancing the argument that providing such alternatives was excessively onerous. Presumably if it was, they would cite that as a reason for shutting them down. Rather, they concentrate on the 'making everyone eat the same is advancing important secular values' argument. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/pork-school-dinners-france-secularism-children-religious-intolerance

[garbon]

Yet France still has holidays named and designated for Catholic holidays.