The prison food and burkini ban dual thread

[alfred russel]

How much of a problem is this? Are there many jews and muslims that are observant enough to follow dietary rules but end up in the big house? If you can stab a guy in the neck, you can eat a pork chop.

[celedhring]

Not all inmates are there for first degree murder, you know. I get that part of the point of prisons is that they are unpleasant places that you don't want to find yourself in, but it seems unnecessarily vindictive to not try to accommodate religious/ideological diets that fall within a reasonable amount of expense and trouble.

Whether "but everybody would sign up for muslim food" would be an issue, dunno, I like my pork.

[Sheilbh]

Pork is a treat

Maybe not in Spain...

[11B4V]

We didn't get to choose when I was in the army. My heart bleeds for prison inmates.

Damn straight

[celedhring]

Pork is a treat

Maybe not in Spain...

Cheapest meat type over here. This nation is built over doing delicious things with pork.

[CountDeMoney]

Some interesting links--

What's in a Prison Meal?, a selection from various jurisdictions, by the Marshall Project.  Definitely scroll down to Morgan County, Alabama.

More of an experiment,

1-Week Prison Food Diet Reveals Problems With Inmate Meals: Low Cost, Bad Taste, And Very Little Nutrition

Instead of a grocery list, I brought the Federal Bureau of Prisons' food menu and purchased ingredients for a week's worth of prison food.
...
I used the Federal Bureau of Prisons' Certified Menu from 2012 because it is recent and reflective of many meals Koster described to me in our interview. Although Koster would probably argue otherwise, food service in prisons aims to "prepare and serve three daily nutritional, appetizing meals," according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. There are three menu options provided for each inmate: regular, heart healthy, and non-flesh diet (vegetarian). Every meal is certified by Religious Services as kosher regardless of individual religious affiliation.

[11B4V]

Good enough.

[celedhring]

I just checked, and in Spain we accommodate vegetarian and halal food (plus medically mandated diets). And apparently a court sentence will force the introduction of vegan diets too 

[11B4V]

Some interesting links--

What's in a Prison Meal?, a selection from various jurisdictions, by the Marshall Project.  Definitely scroll down to Morgan County, Alabama.

More of an experiment,

1-Week Prison Food Diet Reveals Problems With Inmate Meals: Low Cost, Bad Taste, And Very Little Nutrition

Instead of a grocery list, I brought the Federal Bureau of Prisons' food menu and purchased ingredients for a week's worth of prison food.
...
I used the Federal Bureau of Prisons' Certified Menu from 2012 because it is recent and reflective of many meals Koster described to me in our interview. Although Koster would probably argue otherwise, food service in prisons aims to "prepare and serve three daily nutritional, appetizing meals," according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. There are three menu options provided for each inmate: regular, heart healthy, and non-flesh diet (vegetarian). Every meal is certified by Religious Services as kosher regardless of individual religious affiliation.

Btw, your Sig sucks. What happen to the old one?

[CountDeMoney]

Good enough.

OK, Strother Martin.

[CountDeMoney]

Btw, your Sig sucks. What happen to the old one?

I grew tired of it.

[LaCroix]

How much of a problem is this? Are there many jews and muslims that are observant enough to follow dietary rules but end up in the big house? If you can stab a guy in the neck, you can eat a pork chop.

IMO, it's more about the general attitude toward inmates. lack of care for their wellbeing helps contribute to the terrible conditions they endure.

[Razgovory]

how many inmates do that, barrister?

this thread has had some generalizations of the inmate population

Shrug.

I have several friends and family members who are guards in prisons.

Anecdtoally, finding a prisoner interested in working the system is about as hard as finding one that is breathing at any particular moment.

Hell, who can blame them? If *I* was in prison you can bet I would be working the system as best I can, and I would have zero concern about whether that was "reasonable" or not.

The Muslims get better food? Sign me up!

Ah, so this it.  You are concerned Muslims are getting better food.  That is a big problem isn't it?

Yep, you've again figured me out.

Yup, he is so insightful.

Am I to understand you are no longer hostile to "Abrahamic religions"?

[Razgovory]

Keeping inmates "happy" is actually a major concern.  A happy inmate is less likely to stab a guard.  Also if you don't provide food that falls within the dietary restrictions of certain inmates you are going to face hunger strikes.

While I agree that we should try to prevent situations that lead one prisoner to stab a guard or another prisoner, I don't understand why we should care if someone goes on a hunger strike.  They wanna starve themselves, let 'em

Prisons are required by law to keep the inmates alive.  That's part of the deal.

[Razgovory]

We didn't get to choose when I was in the army. My heart bleeds for prison inmates.

"Kosher?  What is Kosher? Is that another type of rotten fish?"