Attack in Nice on July 14th

[Legbiter]

So they beheaded an 86 year old priest and a nun is fighting for her life.

France needs to take out the trash.

[viper37]

I vaguely heard on radio that one of the attackers was already on a terror watch list. Any info on that?

One of the perpetrators was under a probation regime called "bracelet électronique" i.e electronic home arrest.

Un des assaillants sous bracelet électronique ?
Un des deux assaillants est en cours d'identification, indique au Figaro une source proche du dossier. Si son identité se confirme, il ne s'agirait pas d'un fiché «S» mais d'un «velléitaire du djihad» refoulé par les autorités turques.
Incarcéré en 2015, il aurait été placé sous bracelet électronique en mars 2016 comme alternative à l'incarcération. Le parquet antiterroriste de Paris avait alors fait appel de cette ordonnance de placement sans obtenir gain de cause.
Depuis lors, ce djihadiste présumé était semble-t-il incarcéré chez lui.

According to Le Figaro, mainstream conservative daily:
The Paris anti-terrorist prosecution unit appealed against it but was overruled.

why was he freed if he was a suspect of terrorism?  why not deported?

[derspiess]

Just now reading about this church attack.  Was it Amish who again did this?  Militant Unitarians?

[Valmy]

Just now reading about this church attack.  Was it Amish who again did this?  Militant Unitarians?

We moderate Unitarians would never stand for it

I am amazed they would kill a Priest. Even beheaded him Saint Denis style. Churches have not been a target of these sorts of attacks before, at least not in the West. Obviously the Eastern churches get pounded all the time.

why was he freed if he was a suspect of terrorism?  why not deported?

Yeah there are some interesting policy questions around this.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Probably a French citizen, therefore cannot deport, also insufficient evidence therefore cannot imprison.

[Malicious Intent]

I am amazed they would kill a Priest. Even beheaded him Saint Denis style. Churches have not been a target of these sorts of attacks before, at least not in the West. Obviously the Eastern churches get pounded all the time.

That's IS for you. They make AQ look like hippies.

[The Minsky Moment]

That's IS for you. They make AQ look like hippies.

AQ still pays a least some lip service to Islam (the actual religion).
IS are just tribalist degenerates using Islam as brand.  Hence their welcome of all the murderous pork-eating alcoholics who pledge allegiance.

[Malthus]

why was he freed if he was a suspect of terrorism?  why not deported?

I don't think anywhere in the West deports "suspects".

Usually, they have to be convicted of something before any steps are taken against them. Even then, if they are citizens, you can't deport them - you jail them if they are guilty.

[grumbler]

why was he freed if he was a suspect of terrorism?  why not deported?

He was suspected of trying to go to Syria to fight for ISIS.  He can't be deported from France to France (he's French).  Presumably, the law does not yet allow for the imprisonment of people who the authorities suspect of trying to go to Syria, or else he was on bail awaiting some sort of process.

Clearly, though, the monitoring didn't go far enough.  He was on a monitoring bracelet, but the court allowed him mornings off to plot and carry out terrorism.  He had to be home by 1230, though.

[Razgovory]

why was he freed if he was a suspect of terrorism?  why not deported?

He was suspected of trying to go to Syria to fight for ISIS.  He can't be deported from France to France (he's French).  Presumably, the law does not yet allow for the imprisonment of people who the authorities suspect of trying to go to Syria, or else he was on bail awaiting some sort of process.

Clearly, though, the monitoring didn't go far enough.  He was on a monitoring bracelet, but the court allowed him mornings off to plot and carry out terrorism.  He had to be home by 1230, though.

That is early.

"You can stay out long enough for the Crusades, but I want you back home before the Mongols get to Baghdad."

[Duque de Bragança]

One of the assailants has been formally identified

Cet homme, connu des services antiterroristes, avait tenté de rallier la Syrie par deux fois en 2015. Il avait été mis en examen pour association de malfaiteurs en lien avec une entreprise terroriste et placé en détention provisoire, puis libéré sous bracelet électronique.

Known from French counter-terrorist services, tried to go to Syria twice in 2015, accused of criminal association (conspiracy) in relation with a terrorist enterprise, then put into provisional custody. For some reason, later on electronic home arrest.  There seems to be a pattern involving laxism and bleeding hearts.

[alfred russel]

They should have let him go to Syria. Kept an eye on him, seen who is hanging with over there. Mentioned it to their Uncle Sam, who could have a drone pay them a visit and solve a bunch of problems at once.

[viper37]

why was he freed if he was a suspect of terrorism?  why not deported?

I don't think anywhere in the West deports "suspects".

Usually, they have to be convicted of something before any steps are taken against them. Even then, if they are citizens, you can't deport them - you jail them if they are guilty.

he is a refugee, not a citizen.  He applies for citizenship, he is refused citizenship.  Why keep him in France, given the accusation of terrorism?

ok, French citizen, I missed that part.

[viper37]

why was he freed if he was a suspect of terrorism?  why not deported?

He was suspected of trying to go to Syria to fight for ISIS.  He can't be deported from France to France (he's French).  Presumably, the law does not yet allow for the imprisonment of people who the authorities suspect of trying to go to Syria, or else he was on bail awaiting some sort of process.

Clearly, though, the monitoring didn't go far enough.  He was on a monitoring bracelet, but the court allowed him mornings off to plot and carry out terrorism.  He had to be home by 1230, though.

ah, I thought he was a refugee.  I did not read he was a French citizen.  That explains it, then.

[Queequeg]

That's IS for you. They make AQ look like hippies.

AQ still pays a least some lip service to Islam (the actual religion).
IS are just tribalist degenerates using Islam as brand.  Hence their welcome of all the murderous pork-eating alcoholics who pledge allegiance.

They are different organizations and who they attract are different.  This is No True Scotsman garbage. Albanians and Bosniaks would eat pork and drink rakija and crucify Serbian or Greek rebels whenever they got uppity.  The great Sufis were alcoholics and pedaphiles.  The fact that sinning can lead to guilt which informs faith should not be new information, nor should the fact that Islamic fanaticism around the periphery of the Islamic world is the norm rather than the exception.