Mass killing in Orlando gay nightclub

[11B4V]

Oh never mind.  I found it.  Siege told us a lie.  Siege, why do you tell lies?  Are you just inherently dishonest?  Does it bother you that you lie?

https://peninsulalighthouse.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/myth-blaster-mass-shooters-and-assassins-are-democrats/

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=83968&page=2

It's called "spin"

No, spin it argue different context of known facts.  This is just a lie.

SPIN:
"You knocked a hole in my roof"
"I let in fresh air.  It was stuffy before"

Lie:
"You knocked a hole in my roof"
"No I didn't, there's no hole"

Exactly, watch fox news and you'll understand.

[11B4V]

You took it serious...

Is Siege trolling us? He seems quite genuine and sincere to me. He just believes his compatriots are sincere as well when they are often just flinging bullshit.

Whoa. 

[katmai]

I love siege sweeping in to the conversation,as only thing that makes Marti look less of an idiot.

[Kleves]

When it comes down to it, gun violence is about the guns.  And you fucking know that, so don't be stupid.

Last night in Orlando, a man armed with an assault-style rifle killed at least 50 people and wounded 53 others in a crowded nightclub.

Six months ago, in San Bernardino, Calif., a man and woman armed with assault-style rifles killed 14 people and wounded 20 others at a holiday party.

In 2012, in Aurora, Colo., a man armed with an assault-style rifle killed 12 people and wounded 58 others in a crowded movie theater.

Also in 2012, in Newtown Conn., a man armed with an assault-style rifle killed 28 people and wounded 2 others at an elementary school.

One common denominator behind these and other high-casualty mass shootings in recent years is the use of assault style rifles, capable of firing many rounds of ammunition in a relatively short period of time, with high accuracy. And their use in these types of shooting is becoming more common: There have been eight high-profile public mass shootings since July of last year, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine. Assault-style rifles were used in seven of those.

In the past 10 years, assault-style rifles have been used in 14 public mass shootings. Half of those shootings have occurred since last June.

Assault-style weapons have long been a flashpoint in the American gun debate. They were outlawed in 1994. But that ban expired in 2004 and Congress opted to not renew it. Gun rights proponents point out that rifles, of any type, are rarely used to kill people in the U.S. Because of that, researchers have generally found that the assault weapons ban had little impact on U.S. homicide rates while it was in effect.

On the other hand, compared to other firearms, assault-style rifles make it fairly easy to kill or injure many people in within a short period of time. So perpetrators wishing to inflict indiscriminate harm on a large crowd of people often turn to them. Of the 10 mass shooting incidents with the highest number of casualties — killed AND wounded — in the U.S., seven involved the use of an assault-style rifle, according to Mother Jones's database.

Terrorist groups have taken note of the widespread availability of assault rifles and other guns in the U.S. In 2011, al-Qaeda encouraged its followers to take advantage of lax guns laws, purchase assault-style weapons and use them to shoot people.

"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms," American-born al-Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn said in a video. "You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"

Gadahn was incorrect on one point — fully automatic weapons, which shoot continuously when you hold down the trigger, have been banned since 1986. But he was correct on other the other points: Most states don't require background checks for firearms purchased via private sales at gun shows. Most states don't require showing ID to purchase a firearm from a private seller.

Indeed, federal law allows people on terror watch lists to purchase guns, and thousands of them have done so.

The ease of purchasing guns in the U.S., even powerful ones designed to kill many people in a short period of time, is underscored by a crucial fact in Mother Jones's database: Of the 79 mass shootings since 1982 that Mother Jones was able to determine purchasing information for, 63 were committed with guns purchased legally.

What's the argument against outlawing assault rifles? I don't know that they're much use in home defense (unless, I suppose, you're planning to defend your home/compound from the FBI). Is it that they're just so fun to shoot at the range?

[11B4V]

What's the argument against outlawing assault rifles?

Logically, none. They could do it if they had the desire. Dems and GOPtards are just all sellouts.

They got the ACA jammed through when they had the majority. If they really desired they could get something on assault weapons jammed through too.

[LaCroix]

What's the argument against outlawing assault rifles?

people who like guns want another type of gun to have. taking away that ability to buy this type of gun is  . also, slippery slope fear that banning one type inches closer to banning other types

[Phillip V]

Shooter's father has recorded pro-Taliban videos and claims himself to be President of Afghanistan

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/

[11B4V]

Shooter's father has recorded pro-Taliban videos and claims himself to be President of Afghanistan

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/

Terrorism 

[CountDeMoney]

OK, I know you all want to throw this strictly into the "Islamic Terror" pot, even though at this point there's no evidence he went overseas, received training and orders to come back and shoot up a gay night club, but think about it:

1) His father says he was radically anti-gay, and flipped out recently when he saw two men kissing
2) His wife said he allegedly beat her for no reason, and described him as "unstable"
3) His first and only act of targeted political violence, ostensibly in the name of "ISIS" (if only because that's the trendy thing these days) was against a gay club which was a centerpiece in the Orlando LGBT activist community
4)  Look at these selfies:



I mean, seriously: those pics just scream closeted pillowbither.  He has all the makings of a suppressed, I-hate-my-gay-self-so-much-I-have-to-kill-gays asshole.  I bet his browser and computer at home is brimming with gay porn.  He was probably rejected by one once, if not more.

C'mon, I can't be the only one that thinks that.  What about the Languish gay community:  what do you say?  garbon?  Martinus? Shielbh?  Siege?  Caliga?  What say you?  Is he a textbook case of homo self-loathing, or what?

[jimmy olsen]

 

[11B4V]

OK, I know you all want to throw this strictly into the "Islamic Terror" pot, even though at this point there's no evidence he went overseas, received training and orders to come back and shoot up a gay night club, but think about it:

1) His father says he was radically anti-gay, and flipped out recently when he saw two men kissing
2) His wife said he allegedly beat her for no reason, and described him as "unstable"
3) His first and only act of targeted political violence, ostensibly in the name of "ISIS" (if only because that's the trendy thing these days) was against a gay club which was a centerpiece in the Orlando LGBT activist community
4)  Look at these selfies:



I mean, seriously: those pics just scream closeted pillowbither.  He has all the makings of a suppressed, I-hate-my-gay-self-so-much-I-have-to-kill-gays asshole.  I bet his browser and computer at home is brimming with gay porn.  He was probably rejected by one once, if not more.

C'mon, I can't be the only one that thinks that.  What about the Languish gay community:  what do you say?  garbon?  Martinus? Shielbh?  Siege?  Caliga?  What say you?  Is he a textbook case of homo self-loathing, or what?

Siege isn't gay, he's Jewish.

[Legbiter]

OK, I know you all want to throw this strictly into the "Islamic Terror" pot...

Standard issue 2nd generation Western-raised Muslim savage a-la the Tsarnaev brothers.

[Oexmelin]

Well he called it terror and then went on to politicize it.

How could such an issue not be political?

[CountDeMoney]

Siege isn't gay, he's Jewish.

Oh, please.  Siegy is six Bartles & Jaymes wine coolers away from sucking your cock, if he doesn't pass out first.

[Razgovory]

I see one.  He's a liar, and I'm calling him on it.  For instance the Virginia tech shooter could not be a registered democrat because he wasn't a citizen and Virginia didn't register by party at the time of the shooting.  So I'm calling on him on it, and I want to see if he can man up to being a liar.

to lie requires intent to lie. why do you think siege lied when it's more likely he believed this myth he posted?

I've given him the benefit of the doubt on similar cases before. Not this time. Do you think he's seriously so stupid he would blindly pass on information from people who have lied to him time and time again?