Mass killing in Orlando gay nightclub

[Valmy]

Not surprised to see Languish attacking the right, as if they were the actual villains here.

Attack? I thought we were just being mildly grumpy with them.

[HVC]

This type of stuff will drive idiots to vote for Trump though.

Do those idiots care much about the death of gays?

Wow.

do you think if it wasn't a muslim killer they'd care as much (or at all)?

[LaCroix]

I think it's a condemnation of society that so much energy is being expended over how to "classify" an attack in which 50 people were killed.

agree

The simple reality is, it was an Islamic terror attack

agree with your classification of the attack. I think so especially after this:

"He talked about killing people all the time," the former co-worker, Daniel Gilroy, said.

[DontSayBanana]

Even in the face of indescribable tragedies like this, the 2nd Amendment stands strong.
CONSTITUTION STRONG

We can keep going on about this until we're blue in the face.  The plain facts of the matter are that the 2nd is safe, because by definition, it's the most likely to incite armed insurrection if they try to take it away.

The gun nuts will tell you they've still got their guns because somehow, having an undisciplined potential shooter somehow makes people "safer," and they'll ignore how much worse they make threat management for actual law enforcement, but at the end of the day, the 2nd will just hang around because the people who would be pissed off if it went away are the ones with the weapons.

[derspiess]

This type of stuff will drive idiots to vote for Trump though.

Do those idiots care much about the death of gays?

Wow.

do you think if it wasn't a muslim killer they'd care as much (or at all)?

"At all?"   Yes.  53 people being massacred and 100 (?) more injured is flat out horrifying.  You know, one can oppose gay marriage and not want gays to be murdered.

[CountDeMoney]

In my experience, he actually looks like a normal Tehrangeleno, and they can't all be gay.

lulz, Persian Shore

[CountDeMoney]

You know, one can oppose gay marriage and not want gays to be murdered.

At least during the first trimester.

[jimmy olsen]

A lot of people probably bled out during those three hours. Shouldn't the police be more proactive in mass shooting incidents like this? B4, CdM, what do you think?

After a standoff of about three hours, while people trapped inside the club desperately called and messaged friends and relatives, police crashed into the building with an armored vehicle and stun grenades and killed Mateen.

[CountDeMoney]

I think Orlando PD will have to answer that question.  Maybe they didn't get the memo that it's about confronting threats instead of trying to control threats when it comes to active shooter events these days. 

[Martinus]

OK, I know you all want to throw this strictly into the "Islamic Terror" pot, even though at this point there's no evidence he went overseas, received training and orders to come back and shoot up a gay night club, but think about it:

1) His father says he was radically anti-gay, and flipped out recently when he saw two men kissing
2) His wife said he allegedly beat her for no reason, and described him as "unstable"
3) His first and only act of targeted political violence, ostensibly in the name of "ISIS" (if only because that's the trendy thing these days) was against a gay club which was a centerpiece in the Orlando LGBT activist community
4)  Look at these selfies:



I mean, seriously: those pics just scream closeted pillowbither.  He has all the makings of a suppressed, I-hate-my-gay-self-so-much-I-have-to-kill-gays asshole.  I bet his browser and computer at home is brimming with gay porn.  He was probably rejected by one once, if not more.

C'mon, I can't be the only one that thinks that.  What about the Languish gay community:  what do you say?  garbon?  Martinus? Shielbh?  Siege?  Caliga?  What say you?  Is he a textbook case of homo self-loathing, or what?

One doesn't preclude the other. The fact that there is a hateful ideology out there which, as a part of its mainstream (and not a total fringe, like Westboro) allows you to preach hatred to gay people and say that the right punishment for homosexual sex is death means that if it finds a closeted self-hating gay in its midst, he will go and shoot up a gay club - rather than hold a passively aggressive placard about repenting and coming back to Jesus.

[Martinus]

the motive for this particular attack was he hated gays. if he hated gays and killed them because of extremist views re: islam, was this more a hate crime against gays or islamic terrorism, if you had to pick one?

Well, Islam is a homophobic religion par excellance. All Abrahamic religions are, to a degree, even though Christianity and (reformed) Judaism have made some progress lately. But Islam remains staunchly homophobic and murderously so.

[Martinus]

Sad to watch the right pretend to care about gay lives because it helps their anti-Islam agenda.

It is rather interesting to see them suddenly fighting for gay and womens rights in this very specific context.

Yeah. I mean, it's not like grallon, or me, or, say, Milo Yiannopoulous or anyone like that have ever before supported gay rights.

People like you, in your ivory tower of liberal progressive "tolerance" for Muslims, fail to acknowledge that over last years many people with classic liberal views and many gay people for that matter went over to the "right" precisely because of the left's apologetic attitudes about Islam and precisely because of how Islam is incompatible with gay and women rights.

[Valmy]

Did you not notice me condemning them in the Gay spa thing? I have little patience for fundy assholes of any religion.

[Martinus]

Sad to watch the right pretend to care about gay lives because it helps their anti-Islam agenda.

Exactly. Do not allow these awful people to tarnish the otherwise outstanding reputation of peace that Islam has built up over the years.

It has less to do with Islam than the hypocrisy people show in suddenly claiming to care about the rights and well being of a group they spend considerable energy to marginalize and criminalize.

No this is false equivalence on your part i.e. only Hillaryfags can be Goodpersons such as yourself.

I'm not saying right wingers/conservatives are bad people. I am saying their positions are inconsistent. Conservatives rail against painting with too broad a brush if its them being painted. Gun control is a great example of this. Conservative positions in America have brought us arguments like gay marriage will destroy the traditional family, will lead to incest and sex with animals. They argue they shouldn't be forced to serve them in places of business because gays are from Satan.

Now that someone agrees with them enough to mow a bunch of gay people down in a night club, conservatives stand with the gay community? Suddenly the lives and lifestyle are worth defending? Only because the attacker scares them more than the attacked. Had this not been done by a Muslim, I'm sure the argument would be that liberals pushed him too far because of Obama's executive actions and overreach by the Supreme Court.

"Conservatives" are a diverse group as much as Liberals are (is Hillary Clinton "inconsistent" because he expresses a view that contradicts something a Bernie bro might believe?). Trump is a perfect example of this actually - he seems to be very friendly neutral towards gay people.

And I believe, depending on your motivation and how you verbalize it, you can in fact be anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption, but still support gay people's right to live their lives as they please and be free from oppression or violence. Just as you can have a non-anti-women motive to be opposed to abortion, for example.

[Martinus]

Did you not notice me condemning them in the Gay spa thing? I have little patience for fundy assholes of any religion.

I know. All I am saying is that conservatives these days are not all homophobic fundy assholes.