Mass killing in Orlando gay nightclub

[CountDeMoney]

Well he called it terror and then went on to politicize it.

How could such an issue not be political?

Because as long as we're not discussing it, it will go away.

[Jaron]

This is a tough issue and no one has any really good ideas to solve it.

The destruction one person can unleash with modern technologies is devastating. We see it with school shootings, we see it in any attack in crowded areas.

However, for the most part we are not experiencing a large number of attacks from radical Muslims in the US. The number of guilty actors is very very small.

The Muslim community is really in a tough position. The Breitbart right demands to know why Muslims don't denounce the attacks and when they do denounce them the Breitbarters claim its part of a secret plot to get us to lower our guards.

The bigger threat to the West isn't violence, but shifting cultural values by Sharia supporting Muslims vs apathetic Westerners.

[Sheilbh]

Just saw the unbelievable bit on Sky News tonight where a gay, leftie ended up walking off the press review after getting shouted down (more-or-less) for pointing out this was a homophobic attack. The right-wing commentator was calling the attacker a lunatic and the host said 'it was an attack on all people'

It wasn't really an attack on all people any more than attacking a Synagogue is an attack on all people. It's an attack on specific people. Sympathise and empathise all you want but that should be acknowledged

It's like saying the pipe bomb in the Admiral Duncan was an attack on all people - it's really not.

Not a fan of Owen Jones but very impressed. I'd have kicked off a lot more.

Edit: Meanwhile on the internet he's being attacked by the Trump right because he said it was a homophobic attack not an Islamic attack

[katmai]

Careful Shel, Marti is gonna come after you.

[CountDeMoney]

Edit: Meanwhile on the internet he's being attacked by the Trump right because he said it was a homophobic attack not an Islamic attack

Yeah, unfortunately not gonna win that one.

[LaCroix]

the motive for this particular attack was he hated gays. if he hated gays and killed them because of extremist views re: islam, was this more a hate crime against gays or islamic terrorism, if you had to pick one?

[Monoriu]

If this isn't a homophobic attack, I don't know what is. 

[Legbiter]

There was an exposé about a speaker at a local Orlando mosque expounding on Islamic theology concerning gays a couple of months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

[LaCroix]

If this isn't a homophobic attack, I don't know what is.

I think the ultimate question is whether he would have attacked a different group in the name of islam if he hadn't ever had a big issue with gays

[11B4V]

If this isn't a homophobic attack, I don't know what is.

and throwing gays of the rooftops in Ramandi has nothing to do with radical ideology. Oh and it's an homophobic attack too.

[Jaron]

Sad to watch the right pretend to care about gay lives because it helps their anti-Islam agenda.

[Grallon]

C'mon, I can't be the only one that thinks that.  What about the Languish gay community:  what do you say?  garbon?  Martinus? Shielbh?  Siege?  Caliga?  What say you?  Is he a textbook case of homo self-loathing, or what?

Yes - he does look like a closet case.  But he's also a filthy Muslim, which no doubt left him feeling vindicated to shoot gays.  He could thus appear at the same time both righteous and *not* gay.  The crux here is not that he is/was a closet case - but that he shares/shared an ideology that allows the use violence for 'moral reasons'.

Is he dead by the way?



G.

[Valmy]

Sad to watch the right pretend to care about gay lives because it helps their anti-Islam agenda.

It is rather interesting to see them suddenly fighting for gay and womens rights in this very specific context.

[11B4V]

C'mon, I can't be the only one that thinks that.  What about the Languish gay community:  what do you say?  garbon?  Martinus? Shielbh?  Siege?  Caliga?  What say you?  Is he a textbook case of homo self-loathing, or what?

Yes - he does look like a closet case.  But he's also a filthy Muslim, which no doubt left him feeling vindicated to shoot gays.  He could thus appear at the same time both righteous and *not* gay.  The crux here is not that he is/was a closet case - but that he shares/shared an ideology that allows the use violence for 'moral reasons'.

Is he dead by the way?



G.

and yes

[Legbiter]

Sad to watch the right pretend to care about gay lives because it helps their anti-Islam agenda.

Exactly. Do not allow these awful people to tarnish the otherwise outstanding reputation of peace that Islam has built up over the years.