Mass killing in Orlando gay nightclub

[11B4V]

  I don't suppose you'd know this, but that sounds like racists in the US say.  "I don't see race".

How is that racist?

It says you're not paying attention. Turning a blind eye.

Go on.

They're as blind to racism going on around them as they are smug. Even worse than overt racism. Like an alcoholic saying they don't have a drinking problem.

http://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1848&context=law_journal_law_policy

[derspiess]

I guess that's one way of looking at it.  To me, that statement means the person doesn't view or treat people differently based upon race. 

edit: I mean, when the Boogie Boys rapped in 1986 that they wanted to live in a color-blind world, who knew they were dirty racists

[11B4V]

I guess that's one way of looking at it.  To me, that statement means the person doesn't view or treat people differently based upon race.

Zoutopia.

It will blow up in their face (France) in a bad way.

[11B4V]

I guess that's one way of looking at it.  To me, that statement means the person doesn't view or treat people differently based upon race. 

edit: I mean, when the Boogie Boys rapped in 1986 that they wanted to live in a color-blind world, who knew they were dirty racists

Call it ethnic suppression.

[derspiess]

No

[Martinus]

Wow, and when I thought the thread could not go any more insane.

[Martinus]

Martinus: Having no intention to crawl through a 40-page rant I was wondering what your thoughts are on the fact that the shooter might be gay.

But then if I respond now, you have to crawl through several pages to find the response so what's the difference?

[11B4V]

Wow, and when I thought the thread could not go any more insane.

It's Languish

[Martinus]

Thing is, we don't keep them in ghettos or bar them from gainful employment.  But that's just a variation on a theme when it comes to Europeans and ethnic minorities.

Don't give me that bullshit.  American Muslims start businesses and assimilate themselves into an economic asset that punches far above its weight as a percentage of the total US population.

On the other hand, Europe attempts to exterminate them in Yugoslavia, keep them concentrated in ghettos throughout the continent, and let them languish in unemployment at obscene rates.

Berkut is right:  America does not have a "Muslim problem"--and neither would Europe, if it didn't have a problem with Muslims.  But you ignorant racist fucks never fucking learn, whether it's the Jews, Africans, Middle Easterners or Miscellaneous.

We will see in November how many Americans think America has a "Muslim problem".

[viper37]

No, I think I'll talk down to you whities all day everyday when it comes to racism. Make America Great Again!

Pitiful, but what you can expect from a country where one of the major parties was founded by a racist war criminal.  But maybe we should go soft on you, you haven't an ethnic cleansing in like six years.

So...how is Ferguson doing these days Missouri? All those blacks all nice and integrated by your magical integration powers? Since it seems it is our enlightenment that has made our Muslims so very happy. Not at all that we limit their immigration to educated middle class professionals. Hey how many of those Syrian immigrants did we let in to enjoy our enlightened toleration?

Ferguson is quite now.  The problem there was not integration it was policing.  The local elected a new government are in the process of reforming the police department.  Thank you for asking.

I know you are soft on France, but France does have Muslim problem, just like it has a black problem, a Chinese problem, a Roma problem and a Jewish problem.

France has a Black problem?  A Chinese Problem too?  And a Jewish problem?  Wow.  You're a real expert in foreign politics

[Zoupa]

The recipe for insight seems to be living in basement, with Assburger and a cat as only companions.

[jimmy olsen]

Weird story. Self hatred is a hell of a thing.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/14/orlandos-tight-knit-lgbt-community-comes-grips-shooting/85887572/

Locals are doing their best to grapple with the reality that Mateen, a 29-year-old married man with a young child at home, spent years drinking and socializing at Pulse, the nightclub where the attack took place. The FBI is looking into those claims.

Harris, who visited Pulse every other week or so, didn't recall encountering Mateen there, but others did.

Jim Van Horn, 71, a frequent patron at the Pulse night club, said Mateen used to come to the bar regularly, even though Orlando is a two-hour drive north of Fort Pierce, where Mateen lived.

"On the weekends sometimes he would be there, sometimes he would miss a couple of weeks and then be in again," Van Horn told the Associated Press. "He was a regular — we considered that regular, because some of us go to a different bar on a different weekend."

Van Horn recalled that Mateen "was trying to pick up people, men. He was a homosexual and he was trying to pick up men." He would put his arm around them, buy them a drink and try to get them to dance, he said. "That's what people do at gay bars. That's what we do."

Chris Callen and Ty Smith told the Canadian Press they often saw Mateen at Pulse — Smith said he'd seen a drunk Mateen escorted from the club several times. The pair said they stopped speaking to Mateen after he threatened them with a knife, apparently over a joke about religion.

The men said they didn't believe an account given Sunday by Mateen's father about how the gunman had been disturbed by the sight of men kissing in downtown Miami. In that account, Mir Seddique told NBC News that his son "saw two men kissing each other in front of his wife and kid and he got very angry. They were kissing each other and touching each other and he said, 'Look at that. In front of my son they are doing that.' "

Callen and Smith said Mateen had seen plenty of men kiss. "He's been around us," Smith said. "Some of those people did a little more than (kiss) outside the bar."

Smith added, "He was partying with the people who supposedly drove him to do this?"

[barkdreg]

But then if I respond now, you have to crawl through several pages to find the response so what's the difference?

[Martinus]

But then if I respond now, you have to crawl through several pages to find the response so what's the difference?

Ok, reposting what I said earlier:

Yeah, and I fail to see why him being gay actually changes anything about the analysis.

Surely if you are gay and then you are raised in a murderous homophobic backward ideology/cult and told that being gay is wrong and deserve death, then your murderous homophobic backward behaviour is a direct result of your ideology/cult, not your sexuality.

It reminds me of the argument used by some anti-semites claiming that Hitler was, allegedly, half-Jewish. Even if it is true, so what?

[Martinus]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we fight with:

Imam Denies Tie to Orlando Islamic Terror Attacker

In an interview that aired on Tuesday's broadcast of Fox News Channel's "On the Record," fundamentalist Muslim Imam Abu Taubah denied reports that Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen attended his online seminary while refusing to condemn the stoning of women for adultery and saying that some journalists should be beheaded. However, later in the segment, Taubah backpedaled on that remark.

Taubah flatly denied that Mateen was a student of his or of his school, saying that the online seminary doesn't have the face to face classes. He denied ever having met Mateen.

Marcus Dwayne Robertson, one of Taubah aliases, worked as a bodyguard for Omar Abdel-Rahman, also known as "the Blind Sheik."

Abdel-Rahman was convicted of seditious conspiracy in plotting Islamic terror bombings on several high impact targets and was sentenced to life in prison. As Van Susteren points out Robertson has been a gang leader and bank robber who was released from prison just last year.

When asked if he disavowed Mateen being a devout Muslim, Robertson replied, "I disavow the concept of anyone taking the law into their own hand ... no one can justify that with Islam."

He also refused to condemn stoning women for adultery in the second segment of the interview. He referenced the Quran and the Sunnah, saying, "We stone the person who is an adulterer."

Host Greta Van Susteren asked about Mateen's association with American suicide bomber Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha, who is believed to be the first American to carry out a suicide bombing in Syria.

Taubah responded, "I personally don't believe that all those guys are suicide bombings."

Mateen also attended the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce which with Imam Shafiq Rahman according to Fox News was the same mosque that Abu-Salha attended.

Taubah also voiced opposition to both GOP presumptive nominee Donald Trump and Democratic Party presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton.

He told Van Susteren, "As a Muslim I object to Hillary Clinton. I don't believe women should be the president of a nation."

He went on to reference his prophet, saying, "He taught us that whenever a woman is in charge is gonna be problems. What if she's on her menses and it's time to go to war, she gonna press the button cause she's angry?"

"I like Bernie [Sanders]," said Robertson.

In the Fox News report on the Orlando attacker and his connection to the Imam, it is noted that the Robertson's school was recently renamed to Timbuktu Seminary.

"I believe some journalists need to be beheaded. But I wouldn't have done that," said Robertson in response to Van Susteren's question about journalist James Foley who was beheaded by Islamic terror group ISIS. Robertson then backpedaled the statement claiming, "I only say that facetiously."

Van Susteren then asked if we should stop ISIS.

Robertson responded, "No. Why would, why?"

Van Susteren responded, "Because they're beheading Americans."

Robertson suggested that it's none of America's "business."

But I gotta say I agree - let him exercise his freedom of speech. Shine more light on this filth. So when Trump is elected in November it is easier to identify who the enemies are.