Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (11.8%)
British - Leave
7 (6.9%)
Other European - Remain
21 (20.6%)
Other European - Leave
6 (5.9%)
ROTW - Remain
36 (35.3%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (19.6%)

Total Members Voted: 100

HVC

Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2025, 11:01:17 AM
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Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on November 04, 2025, 09:49:29 AMMy little district is ranked 8,806 but there have been improvements in all the categories since 2019.

I didn't know Tamas was so posh until now  :bowler:


I didn't, either.  :lol:

You're not, I'm the posh one here, apparently. According to the deprivation map, I'm in the top 1% of the least deprived areas in the country, which shocked me. Sure it's not bad here, but upper middle was what I expected.

Now I am envious  :mad:

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Sheilbh

Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2025, 08:54:31 AMOmg is Sheilbh: part of gentrification?

 :P
I am...a gentrifier! :ph34r:

This should surprise no-one of course :P


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mongers

Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2025, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: PJL on November 04, 2025, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2025, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on November 04, 2025, 09:49:29 AMMy little district is ranked 8,806 but there have been improvements in all the categories since 2019.

I didn't know Tamas was so posh until now  :bowler:


I didn't, either.  :lol:

You're not, I'm the posh one here, apparently. According to the deprivation map, I'm in the top 1% of the least deprived areas in the country, which shocked me. Sure it's not bad here, but upper middle was what I expected.

Now I am envious  :mad:

Why?

The streets would be just filled with even more oversized luxury SUVs, which when not bringing gridlock, would be taking up all of the available parking you so wish for.   :P
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mongers

Quote from: Sheilbh on November 04, 2025, 08:16:48 AMInteresting opposite for me. I'm in the bottom third (about 9,000). But income, employment and health have all improved while education's got significantly worse. But generally less deprived than in 2019 by a little bit.

Crime is more or less the same and in the 10% most deprived there :ph34r:

Although in nicest possible way, not sure why the Guardian made this as I think the government version is better and maybe a bit more interesting :hmm:
https://deprivation.communities.gov.uk/

Edit: :lol: Most deprived in relation to crime: "Only 9% of neighbourhoods in Lewisham are more deprived in relation to crime than the neighbourhood you selected"...good to know :ph34r:

Yes, the gov. one is far more usable, thanks Shelf.

Looking my area were nothing special, mainly rural with a small slice of the market town and a lot of the rural areas around here seem to be in the 50-65% region, it only goes up when you get to an area on the edge of town that's largely in the New Forest  does one find real affluence and even then it's only at 89%, despite having numerous multi-million pound houses, that were somehow magically allowed to be built in a national park. :hmm:

Underlying the rural vs sub-urban divide are two areas just over the border in Dorset, that I'd markdown as retirement housing, often quite modest; and yet those are ranked at 81% and 91%.

As an aside I'd agree with Josq, some of the areas seem very gerrymandered and for no obvious reason.
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Sheilbh

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Gerrymandered to what end though?

These are LSOAs - they're purely statistical divisions for census purposes. They were first created with the 2001 census. They're made up of "Output Areas" which have a household count of 40-250 and population of 100-625. Those are then bundled up to form LSOAs (Lower layer Super Output Areas) which are made of between 400-1,200 households or 1-3,000 people. Both get updated every census by the Office of National Statistics to reflect population changes (largely by merging or splitting them) to meet population and household thresholds - but also to try and ensure that you have consistently sized (by population) areas to compare change over time.

I think they have to adhere to local authority borders but aside from that it's just groups of 4-5 OAs so they're within the thresholds. But they don't map onto wards or parishes (and the ONS notes that in rural areas parishes are more likely to be useful for measuring deprivation than LSOAs). So it'd be an incredibly weird thing for someone to be gerrymandering :lol:

Edit: Although I do love the idea of Machiavel of Newport in the ONS bamboozling their colleagues to fix statistical boundaries.
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Josquius

I just mean they look like textbook US electoral maps with wacky shapes galore.
I don't think theres some shadowy statistician who wants to depress my property value by any means.

From my research the mad shapes come from trying to keep every area  equal in population and prioritising this over actual neighbourhoods or physical features on the ground.
I'm not sure of the wisdom of this approach
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