Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Richard Hakluyt]

It depends whether they notice or not. Farage tends to clean up on the low knowledge demographic.

[Josquius]

It does seem weird given they're his prime target.

[Sheilbh]

I think it's the clearest sign that they think they might win.

[Valmy]

I think it's the clearest sign that they think they might win.

The remarkable ability of the British voters to strategically vote gives me hope they will not.

But things will be dramatically different by the time the next election rolls around and probably not for the better...so who knows? Maybe people will be desperate enough to give them a shot and then they will make things much worse.

[Sheilbh]

Tactical voting cuts both ways. Labour's strategy appears to be to run as the "stop Farage" party (and piss away one of the biggest majorities in history doing...nothing? ), which makes sense.

But it stops making sense if the Greens are polling second ahead of Labour as has happened in at least one poll now.

If it becomes a tactical voting face off between "stop Farage" and "stop Polanski", then I'm not sure who wins.

(Incidentally on our politics as an American satrapy absolutely mad to see Zack Polanski interviewing Hasan Piker on his podcast or, say, Jeremy Corbyn holding a phone-banking event for Mamdani.)

[Josquius]

Tactical voting cuts both ways. Labour's strategy appears to be to run as the "stop Farage" party (and piss away one of the biggest majorities in history doing...nothing? ), which makes sense.

But it stops making sense if the Greens are polling second ahead of Labour as has happened in at least one poll now.

If it becomes a tactical voting face off between "stop Farage" and "stop Polanski", then I'm not sure who wins.

(Incidentally on our politics as an American satrapy absolutely mad to see Zack Polanski interviewing Hasan Piker on his podcast or, say, Jeremy Corbyn holding a phone-banking event for Mamdani.)

I randomly caught that (youtube on auto play, let it roll) and I must say I am increasingly keen on Polanski.
I liked the bit he said which vibes so perfectly with my views of call out the right when they play their culture war games and focus on the important stuff.
As yeah, put it to the public what do you think of trans people and there's so much ignorance out there a lot will fall against.
But put it out there what do you care about, having well funded services and decent quality of life or making sure a fraction of a percentage of the population are miserable.... and its clear what the priority is. This is the real choice.

What you say here on the UK being a satrapy of the US....ehh..... I see where you're coming from.... But Rest is Politics regularly has people from all over on too. Personally I think we could do with a lot more north european politicians showing up. Highlight the point that America's language similarity is masking a broader cultural similarity that lies elsewhere, and where the politics tend to lead to better results.
I mean, the far right already does this. They've really strong north european links. Why doesn't the left do it more.

I still haven't gotten around to changing party. Was waiting until after I voted for the deputy. Thinking to give the Greens a crack and see if I get anything out of it if not then just go independent again.
Though as said the way things are looking and where I live even if I do join the Greens expect my situation next GE as things stand to be the opposite of last.

[Tamas]

This I found a good list of what should be attempted:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/02/dutch-voters-positivity-liberals-patriotism-d66-netherlands-election

Points 1 to 3 is what Orban's first real challenger in 19 years has been doing, incidentally.

[Josquius]

There's been a fair bit of chatter from people I follow lately on  up to date  indices of multiple deprivation results being released.
Worth a play with the post-code checker.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2025/oct/30/how-deprived-is-your-area

Though I really do wonder how and why the census draw the borders they do. I've noticed for a while they tend to be really crazy but again it gets really highlighted here.

With where I live for instance the boundary looks really gerrymandered into a sort of number 3 shape.... and we're amongst the 3500 out of 34000 most deprived areas in the country.
Which....wha? I thought I was in a pretty middling area.

The next street though, which is one of those inlets in the 3 tying it into the estate across the road, it is 20,000 out of 34,000. i.e. in the richest 40% in the country.

My parents place is pretty middling around the 50% mark... but they live on the edge of town and their census area covers a vast amount of countryside which I suspect is dragging them up. Across the road from them you go down to the bottom 20%.

[Tamas]

Top 10%-ish it seems for us, but income and crime worsened considerably since 2019. Big improvement in education kept it around the 10% mark I think

[Sheilbh]

Interesting opposite for me. I'm in the bottom third (about 9,000). But income, employment and health have all improved while education's got significantly worse. But generally less deprived than in 2019 by a little bit.

Crime is more or less the same and in the 10% most deprived there

Although in nicest possible way, not sure why the Guardian made this as I think the government version is better and maybe a bit more interesting
https://deprivation.communities.gov.uk/

Edit: Most deprived in relation to crime: "Only 9% of neighbourhoods in Lewisham are more deprived in relation to crime than the neighbourhood you selected"...good to know

[Tamas]

Omg is Sheilbh: part of gentrification?

 

[Richard Hakluyt]

My little district is ranked 8,806 but there have been improvements in all the categories since 2019.

I didn't know Tamas was so posh until now 

[Tamas]

My little district is ranked 8,806 but there have been improvements in all the categories since 2019.

I didn't know Tamas was so posh until now 

I didn't, either. 

[PJL]

My little district is ranked 8,806 but there have been improvements in all the categories since 2019.

I didn't know Tamas was so posh until now 

I didn't, either. 

You're not, I'm the posh one here, apparently. According to the deprivation map, I'm in the top 1% of the least deprived areas in the country, which shocked me. Sure it's not bad here, but upper middle was what I expected.

[Tamas]

My little district is ranked 8,806 but there have been improvements in all the categories since 2019.

I didn't know Tamas was so posh until now 

I didn't, either. 

You're not, I'm the posh one here, apparently. According to the deprivation map, I'm in the top 1% of the least deprived areas in the country, which shocked me. Sure it's not bad here, but upper middle was what I expected.

Now I am envious