Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Sheilbh]

DUP seem angry. I think they could be quite unpredictable in the next few days

[celedhring]

I'm totally ignorant on the political consequences but that Letwin ammendment seems entirely reasonable.

[Sheilbh]

So government lost because of the 10 DUP votes. Turns out a movement with the slogan "no surrender" is difficult to negotiate with.

Edit: And this is the worst reason to do something or not, but, loyalists planning large meeting next week and proposing civil unrest if the deal passes

[Liep]

Brexit is done.

I am shocked.

[mongers]

Show down in the Commons happening today. 

Pretty good so far
.....

Yes good parliamentary theatre.  (NB I can't see the image you posted)

But also hugely significant, Boris must now bend to the will of parliament or be broken/ arrested / freed from the confines of No.10 by an army of DM grannies and granddads? 

[mongers]

So government lost because of the 10 DUP votes. Turns out a movement with the slogan "no surrender" is difficult to negotiate with.

Edit: And this is the worst reason to do something or not, but, loyalists planning large meeting next week and proposing civil unrest if the deal passes

I think they were always happiest with that, so Troubles 2.0 it is?

[Maladict]

Show down in the Commons happening today. 

Pretty good so far
.....

Yes good parliamentary theatre.  (NB I can't see the image you posted)

I was having some popcorn while enjoying the show.

Had to chuckle when Boris downplayed the significance as the vote was pretty close. I guess it was something like 52%?

[mongers]

I was having some popcorn while enjoying the show.

Had to chuckle when Boris downplayed the significance as the vote was pretty close. I guess is was something like 52%?

:Yes:

Good point, Mal.

(Thanks I see it now I've changed to a different browser.)

[Sheilbh]

So government lost because of the 10 DUP votes. Turns out a movement with the slogan "no surrender" is difficult to negotiate with.

Edit: And this is the worst reason to do something or not, but, loyalists planning large meeting next week and proposing civil unrest if the deal passes

I think they were always happiest with that, so Troubles 2.0 it is?

Apparently the DUP were trying to talk them down, but I've seen several references to this being like the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985 ("never, never, never") and talk of this as a "final betrayal".  For example this from someone with loyalist links: "Maggie Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement & regretted it for the rest of her life. This betrayal is even worse- Parliament is trying to do in one month what the IRA couldn't do in 30 years of murderous terrorism. Unionists/loyalists won't be going meekly under the bus."

And this rather ominous line from a former BBC NI Security correspondent, "loyalists are exploring ways for their concerns to be heard outside Northern Ireland and that a "mechanism/means" to achieve this is currently being explored"

Though it is worth pointing out that while Lord Trimble backed the deal even Dame Sylvia Hermon who is the most moderate unionist voice has opposed this deal (I think she supported the whole-UK backstop which May negotiated).

[mongers]

So government lost because of the 10 DUP votes. Turns out a movement with the slogan "no surrender" is difficult to negotiate with.

Edit: And this is the worst reason to do something or not, but, loyalists planning large meeting next week and proposing civil unrest if the deal passes

I think they were always happiest with that, so Troubles 2.0 it is?

Apparently the DUP were trying to talk them down, but I've seen several references to this being like the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985 ("never, never, never") and talk of this as a "final betrayal".  For example this from someone with loyalist links: "Maggie Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement & regretted it for the rest of her life. This betrayal is even worse- Parliament is trying to do in one month what the IRA couldn't do in 30 years of murderous terrorism. Unionists/loyalists won't be going meekly under the bus."

And this rather ominous line from a former BBC NI Security correspondent, "loyalists are exploring ways for their concerns to be heard outside Northern Ireland and that a "mechanism/means" to achieve this is currently being explored"

Though it is worth pointing out that while Lord Trimble backed the deal even Dame Sylvia Hermon who is the most moderate unionist voice has opposed this deal (I think she supported the whole-UK backstop which May negotiated).

S. , thanks for that; easier for them to march the Troops up to the top of the hill (bonfire) , then it will be to talk them back down again. *




* my offering for the 2019 Languish mixed metaphor awards.

[Sheilbh]

That could've been Ian Paisley's epitaph.

[Duque de Bragança]

So government lost because of the 10 DUP votes. Turns out a movement with the slogan "no surrender" is difficult to negotiate with.

Edit: And this is the worst reason to do something or not, but, loyalists planning large meeting next week and proposing civil unrest if the deal passes

I think they were always happiest with that, so Troubles 2.0 it is?

Does Troubles 2.0 mean the Irish Army and Garda join the fun, if the UK or Great Little England gets fed up with dealing with Northern Ireland? 

[Sheilbh]

Interestingly, DUP have flagged that they'll examine every amendment. And there's some chat they might back a referendum, which would be a hilariously appropriate end to this

[Tamas]

So what does this mean that, what do they mean by all legislations? Pass the laws that make the changes made necessary by the deal, then vote on the deal itself? what if they vote it down after that?

[garbon]

I foolishly had lunch plans today right on the path of the EU protest. Made good use of my knowledge of backstreets around Green Park though.