Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

The Brain

To elaborate: there is a difference between accepting input and then making a decision within your power and responsibility contrary to that input, and rejecting the actual input. If Parliament disagreed with the referendum result it would have been their job not to activate Brexit. But they did not disagree with the referendum result in any way that carries meaning.
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Fair points.  It just seems crazy that there has been one referendum and a whole host of votes, bills, and what not put forth that have done nothing all based on that original solitary referendum's close result.
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Zanza

A Prime Minister losing his very first and so far only vote in the Commons must be a first. Strong and stable.

Withdrawing the whip from the Father of the House, former Chancellors and Lord Chancellors and Churchill's grandson shows how extremist the party has become.

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So, another election coming up?
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Quote from: Zanza on September 03, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
A Prime Minister losing his very first and so far only vote in the Commons must be a first.

First time since William Pitt the Younger, in 1793.
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Valmy

I have a feeling Boris is not the next Pitt the Younger.
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Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2019, 07:50:06 PM
I have a feeling Boris is not the next Pitt the Younger.

That's what they said about Pitt the Even Younger!

Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Zanza on September 03, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
A Prime Minister losing his very first and so far only vote in the Commons must be a first. Strong and stable.

Withdrawing the whip from the Father of the House, former Chancellors and Lord Chancellors and Churchill's grandson shows how extremist the party has become.

....and Cameron only ever held the referendum to promote unity within the tory party  :hmm:

The blithering idiot  :mad:

Josquius

Quote from: The Brain on September 03, 2019, 04:39:50 PM
What would a new referendum settle?

It gives another chance to kick this shit into the sea.
It also means we have an actual definition of which of the million varieties of brexit is the one with the democratic mandate.
Which is why so many people in favour of brexit are against it. They still believe their version is obviously the true version and it will win in the end.
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Admiral Yi

If you held another referendum and voted remain, it would only be fair to hold a third one.

Saladin

Dumping people out of their own party by text.. Sheesh.
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Josquius

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 04, 2019, 02:22:32 AM
If you held another referendum and voted remain, it would only be fair to hold a third one.

1: Another would be the third one.
2: Yes. Something that a lot of the radical leave supporters don't get is that democracy doesn't end the second a vote goes your way. If brexit is cancelled that doesn't mean its cancelled forever, if there's call for it there can indeed be another vote.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Tyr on September 04, 2019, 02:27:50 AM
1: Another would be the third one.

When did that happen?


Josquius

Incidentally its an amazing example of the rewriting of history we've gone through in recent years that people no longer realise that this happened.
It particularly irks when you hear Mogg et al going on about 2016 being the biggest democratic mandate ever.... Which is just ridiculous. Leave got about as many votes as remain did in 16 as in 75 (factor in the lower population in the 70s......).
The difference is that in 16 it was a very close thing with the results within the margin of error, compared to 75 when leave could only get half as much.
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