Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Syt]

This whole malarkey will be studied by historians and political scientists for generations to come.

[Tamas]

So, allegedly the plan is now to have a run-off between whatever alternative wins (gets the least No votes?) on Monday and MV3 (you know the vote we didn't just have). I am sure Bercow will be totally fine with this.

Oh well, I guess it makes as much sense as anything else at this point.

[Josquius]

That is a very sensible plan.
Fingers crossed it happens.
And then a confirmatory vote amendment gets added to it.

[The Larch]

And then a confirmatory vote amendment gets added to it.

You mean a 2nd referendum? Don't think that'll happen at this point if they want to keep the current schedule, unless nothing is agreed by April 12th and it's agreed in order to kick the can down the road (which would require the UK to participate in May's European Parliament elections).

[Iormlund]

And then a confirmatory vote amendment gets added to it.

You mean a 2nd referendum? Don't think that'll happen at this point if they want to keep the current schedule, unless nothing is agreed by April 12th and it's agreed in order to kick the can down the road (which would require the UK to participate in May's European Parliament elections).

The closest thing to the current schedule is to pass an amendment that requires the future government to seek a CU. That was the one option that almost passed two days ago. I don't know how binding that would be though.

[Josquius]

I wonder which minister this was:
https://streamable.com/ktpe9

Holy cow.

And then a confirmatory vote amendment gets added to it.

You mean a 2nd referendum? Don't think that'll happen at this point if they want to keep the current schedule, unless nothing is agreed by April 12th and it's agreed in order to kick the can down the road (which would require the UK to participate in May's European Parliament elections).

Taking part in the European elections would be a good thing.
It remains unlikely. But it looks more likely than it did a few months ago. The fight for democracy goes on.

[Josquius]

And in things that are not a coincidence. On the day we were set to leave Vote Leave has dropped its appeal against the judgement it deliberately broke election law

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-vote-leave-drops-appeal-14205626

[grumbler]

his is why our President and the Executive Branch have increasingly become the government. But it is different here, the UK Parliament is not just one branch of the government. Their power is supposed to be supreme, they cannot just ask the President or the Monarch to decide. They have to do something. Who is going to grab the reigns of leadership here?

Actually, the Crown is part of Parliament, too.  Makes the problem you note even worse.

It really is astonishing how flimsy the facade of responsible British government was (as is the case to a lessor extent  - at least yet - in the US).  The rule that kept everything moving was that the PM resigns if they lose a key vote.  All it took was May's ambition to scuttle that.

The controversy in the UK isn't about the terms of Brexit.  It is about who is going to take the blame for Brexit.

[Richard Hakluyt]

The lack of an effective opposition is very important imo. Usually when one party is self-destructing the other is ready to take up the reins. Not now though, not with magic grandpa in charge of the opposition.

[mongers]

The lack of an effective opposition is very important imo. Usually when one party is self-destructing the other is ready to take up the reins. Not now though, not with magic grandpa in charge of the opposition.

[jimmy olsen]

 
https://i.imgur.com/uWUkeKa.mp4

[Josquius]

https://i.imgur.com/uWUkeKa.mp4

[Zanza]

his is why our President and the Executive Branch have increasingly become the government. But it is different here, the UK Parliament is not just one branch of the government. Their power is supposed to be supreme, they cannot just ask the President or the Monarch to decide. They have to do something. Who is going to grab the reigns of leadership here?

Actually, the Crown is part of Parliament, too.  Makes the problem you note even worse.

It really is astonishing how flimsy the facade of responsible British government was (as is the case to a lessor extent  - at least yet - in the US).  The rule that kept everything moving was that the PM resigns if they lose a key vote.  All it took was May's ambition to scuttle that.

The controversy in the UK isn't about the terms of Brexit.  It is about who is going to take the blame for Brexit.

The constitutional change from the Fixed Term Parliament Act took away the possibility to combine a vote on a matter with a vote of confidence. Seems like that does not work well.

[crazy canuck]

So now another round of parliament again voting "no" to every other alternative? Or is a consensus around *something* going to emerge?

It is kind of sad to see similar levels of leadership in the British Parliament that we often see in the US Congress. This is why our President and the Executive Branch have increasingly become the government. But it is different here, the UK Parliament is not just one branch of the government. Their power is supposed to be supreme, they cannot just ask the President or the Monarch to decide. They have to do something. Who is going to grab the reigns of leadership here?

That isn't really what parliamentary supremacy means.

It means that, as a matter of constitutional law, Parliament may enact any legislation it wishes.

To take a slight tangent - the reason the Canadian Charter of Rights includes a notwithstanding clause is to preserve the ability of the legislative branch to do just that.

You are talking about how Parliament makes the decision.   The PM and cabinet have had all the power in recent times (much like your President).  Brexit, and the failure of party leadership provided an opportunity for Parliament to reassert itself, but that muscle has been too long unused and has atrophied.

[mongers]

Rumours from 'Westminster', May is considering a snap general election.

What could possibly go wrong, I mean seriously it's a master stroke.   

Britain Elects
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Westminster voting intention (ft. ChUK): LAB: 35% (-1) CON: 32% (-11) CHUK: 9% (+9) LDEM: 7% (+1) via @DeltaPollUK Chgs. w/ 23 Feb