Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Tamas]

They rejected including a left field amendment for it today because the timing isn't right.

It will never be right. Your only hope now is that Bercrow refuses to put May's deal up for yet another vote.

And what would that achieve?

[Iormlund]

And what would that achieve?

For the last few months everything has been stalled because May wants her fucking deal through, and will use both No Deal and No exit as a threat to MPs to vote for it.

Without her deal all that remains is a binary choice: In or out. And finally, a conclusion to this mess.

[Barrister]

And what would that achieve?

For the last few months everything has been stalled because May wants her fucking deal through, and will use both No Deal and No exit as a threat to MPs to vote for it.

Without her deal all that remains is a binary choice: In or out. And finally, a conclusion to this mess.

A bullet in your brains might be a conclusion as well, but an extraordinarily bad one.

A no deal Brexit is such a bad outcome for everyone involved it is surely in everyone's best interests to try and avoid it, even at the cost of an extended period of uncertainty.

[Razgovory]

You feel a tribal obligation to make excuses for Corbyn, I get that.

But he is simply terrible. Crisis such as this really help to see true qualities and he is not measuring up at all. The only question is whether this is because he has motives he needs to hide so deeply that it results in this inept inaction, or that he is just inept.

I'm a leftist and I despise Corbyn.  From this side of the Atlantic it looks like he wants to wait for the British economy to collapse and build his Utopia on the ruins.  The anti-semitism thing that has rocked labor for the last few years horrifies me.  I'm concerned that the Democratic party could move in that direction.

[Zoupa]

And what would that achieve?

For the last few months everything has been stalled because May wants her fucking deal through, and will use both No Deal and No exit as a threat to MPs to vote for it.

Without her deal all that remains is a binary choice: In or out. And finally, a conclusion to this mess.

A bullet in your brains might be a conclusion as well, but an extraordinarily bad one.

A no deal Brexit is such a bad outcome for everyone involved it is surely in everyone's best interests to try and avoid it, even at the cost of an extended period of uncertainty.

A no deal Brexit would not necessarily be a bad outcome for the EU. It would serve as a cautionary tale.

[Barrister]

And what would that achieve?

For the last few months everything has been stalled because May wants her fucking deal through, and will use both No Deal and No exit as a threat to MPs to vote for it.

Without her deal all that remains is a binary choice: In or out. And finally, a conclusion to this mess.

A bullet in your brains might be a conclusion as well, but an extraordinarily bad one.

A no deal Brexit is such a bad outcome for everyone involved it is surely in everyone's best interests to try and avoid it, even at the cost of an extended period of uncertainty.

A no deal Brexit would not necessarily be a bad outcome for the EU. It would serve as a cautionary tale.

The rest of the EU still does a very large amount of trading with the UK.  A no deal Brexit would be extraordinarily bad for Ireland, which is an EU member.

I think the whole past three years serves as a cautionary tale all by itself without making things worse.

[Razgovory]

A no deal Brexit would not necessarily be a bad outcome for the EU. It would serve as a cautionary tale.

From what I understand, that is essentially Macron's position.

[dps]

From this side of the Atlantic it looks like he wants to wait for the British economy to collapse and build his Utopia on the ruins.  The anti-semitism thing that has rocked labor for the last few years horrifies me.  I'm concerned that the Democratic party could move in that direction.

I think there are a lot of people on the left in the US that want the economy to collapse under a Republican President so that they can push their economic agenda (to be fair, a lot of people on the right no doubt root for bad things to happen under a Democratic President, too), but I don't really see the left in the US embracing anti-Semitism.  But then, what do I know?

[Valmy]

From this side of the Atlantic it looks like he wants to wait for the British economy to collapse and build his Utopia on the ruins.  The anti-semitism thing that has rocked labor for the last few years horrifies me.  I'm concerned that the Democratic party could move in that direction.

I think there are a lot of people on the left in the US that want the economy to collapse under a Republican President so that they can push their economic agenda (to be fair, a lot of people on the right no doubt root for bad things to happen under a Democratic President, too), but I don't really see the left in the US embracing anti-Semitism.  But then, what do I know?

I don't think they want a collapse but rather just a recession. Just a little recession putting millions out of work. BUT THEN TRUMP WILL BE VANQUISHED.

A no deal Brexit would not necessarily be a bad outcome for the EU. It would serve as a cautionary tale.

From what I understand, that is essentially Macron's position.

Well he has plenty of "Frexit" types around that need to put in their place. It would be an issue if Britain somehow left with a better deal than they had inside the EU.

[Iormlund]

The rest of the EU still does a very large amount of trading with the UK.  A no deal Brexit would be extraordinarily bad for Ireland, which is an EU member.

The EU has actual, real, systemic problems we need to talk about. We still have a common monetary policy without the neccessary mechanisms in place. It looks like another downturn is on the way and the only reason it didn't kill us the last time was Draghi broke the rules and the German Constitutional Court looked the other way to avert catastrophe.

This is what we should be discussing about. Not about the UK. If Little Britain wants to jump off a cliff then so be it. Best now instead of later.

[Barrister]

The rest of the EU still does a very large amount of trading with the UK.  A no deal Brexit would be extraordinarily bad for Ireland, which is an EU member.

The EU has actual, real, systemic problems we need to talk about. We still have a common monetary policy without the neccessary mechanisms in place. It looks like another downturn is on the way and the only reason it didn't kill us the last time was Draghi broke the rules and the German Constitutional Court looked the other way to avert catastrophe.

This is what we should be discussing about. Not about the UK. If Little Britain wants to jump off a cliff then so be it. Best now instead of later.

But it's not clear Britain wants to jump off a cliff.  Britain has come to the cliff's edge and is wavering.  Why give them a push?

[The Brain]

If the UK wanted a deal they would have planned and negotiated to get one. Brexit is weeks away and THERE IS STILL NO DEAL. I don't know how the UK could say a louder FUCK YOU to both its citizens and the EU.

[Iormlund]

Why give them a push?

Because they are right about one thing: The EU is evolving. What they (and many more) don't see is we need to evolve. We can't keep the status quo and relive the mess we witnessed not so long ago.

And the truth is England is and will be an obstacle to that evolution. We're better off without them, at least until we figure out how to mend (or tear down) the Eurozone.

[dps]

The rest of the EU still does a very large amount of trading with the UK.  A no deal Brexit would be extraordinarily bad for Ireland, which is an EU member.

The EU has actual, real, systemic problems we need to talk about. We still have a common monetary policy without the neccessary mechanisms in place. It looks like another downturn is on the way and the only reason it didn't kill us the last time was Draghi broke the rules and the German Constitutional Court looked the other way to avert catastrophe.

This is what we should be discussing about. Not about the UK. If Little Britain wants to jump off a cliff then so be it. Best now instead of later.

But it's not clear Britain wants to jump off a cliff.  Britain has come to the cliff's edge and is wavering.  Why give them a push?

Well, it will be fascinating to watch and see what happens.  Granted, that's well into "May you live in interesting times" territory, but you have to take your entertainment where you find it.

[The Brain]

The rest of the EU still does a very large amount of trading with the UK.  A no deal Brexit would be extraordinarily bad for Ireland, which is an EU member.

The EU has actual, real, systemic problems we need to talk about. We still have a common monetary policy without the neccessary mechanisms in place. It looks like another downturn is on the way and the only reason it didn't kill us the last time was Draghi broke the rules and the German Constitutional Court looked the other way to avert catastrophe.

This is what we should be discussing about. Not about the UK. If Little Britain wants to jump off a cliff then so be it. Best now instead of later.

But it's not clear Britain wants to jump off a cliff.  Britain has come to the cliff's edge and is wavering.  Why give them a push?

Well, it will be fascinating to watch and see what happens.  Granted, that's well into "May you live in interesting times" territory, but you have to take your entertainment where you find it.

She's not the only one unfortunately.