Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[mongers]

It's certainly a possibility, but what about the other options, remain etc?

Because then you ratify the status quo, which is a four way gridlock.

You can have a referendum vote like this option 1 Brexit, option 2 remain.
Those choosing option 1 then get a subsidiary question, Do you wish a/ no deal, b/ May's deal, c/ an extension and a softer deal (norway).

People who voted for option 2, to remain, don't get to choose any of the subsidiary options .

[Admiral Yi]

You can have a referendum vote like this option 1 Brexit, option 2 remain.
Those choosing option 1 then get a subsidiary question, Do you wish a/ no deal, b/ May's deal, c/ an extension and a softer deal (norway).

People who voted for option 2, to remain, don't get to choose any of the subsidiary options .

Like I said, four way gridlock.

Or remain wins a majority, in which case Leavers find out that the previous binding referendum was less binding than advertised.

[Razgovory]

Overturning a referendum with another referendum is a bad idea.  It creates a sense of impersistency (is that a word?).  Referendums are not the best way to govern, but it nobody seems to know what they want and as a result the government is deadlocked.  At this point the only way I can see forwards is take it back to the people for clarification.  Adding more than two options would just confuse things more.

[mongers]

You can have a referendum vote like this option 1 Brexit, option 2 remain.
Those choosing option 1 then get a subsidiary question, Do you wish a/ no deal, b/ May's deal, c/ an extension and a softer deal (norway).

People who voted for option 2, to remain, don't get to choose any of the subsidiary options .

Like I said, four way gridlock.

Or remain wins a majority, in which case Leavers find out that the previous binding referendum was less binding than advertised.

It's exactly not that, it's a guaranteed outcome either remain or leave.
The subsidiary question decides the nature of the the leave, if remain has been defeated.

[Valmy]

Overturning a referendum with another referendum is a bad idea.  It creates a sense of impersistency (is that a word?).

Of course it does. You don't want the sovereign power making these kinds of calls for that reason.

But I mean sometimes the people vote Tory, other times they vote labour. They don't just have one election and have the winner govern forever. But with referendums they pretty much do this. One person, one vote, one time.

[Valmy]

in which case Leavers find out that the previous binding referendum was less binding than advertised.

I thought the referendum was explicitly non-binding.

[mongers]

in which case Leavers find out that the previous binding referendum was less binding than advertised.

I thought the referendum was explicitly non-binding.

Precisely.

A narrow majority of people voted for something that's impossible to deliver. A second vote on the reality of what is doable;May deal, no deal, remains could be a binding referendum, perhaps.

[Admiral Yi]

Precisely.

A narrow majority of people voted for something that's impossible to deliver. A second vote on the reality of what is doable;May deal, no deal, remains could be a binding referendum, perhaps.

Leaving the EU is quite easy to deliver, and as we speak is on the verge of being delivered.  While the arguments surrounding Leave may have been boneheaded, the referendum question itself was quite clear.

You can claim that a referendum is non-binding with You Kay's "constitution," which I guess the British courts have opined, but then you've undercut your argument for holding another referendum. It would be a political ploy to nudge MPs to vote for a solution.

[Valmy]

I agree there should never be a referendum and the results of the last referendum should be ignored. The MPs should vote for what they feel is best for the UK and if the voters don't like it they can vote in MPs who will do something different. That is how it is supposed to work.

[mongers]

I agree there should never be a referendum and the results of the last referendum should be ignored. The MPs should vote for what they feel is best for the UK and if the voters don't like it they can vote in MPs who will do something different. That is how it is supposed to work.

I don't disagree. It was a very bad idea, especially in a parliamentary democracy. But the efforts to repair the Tory party must go on, country be damned. And it will be. 

[mongers]

Incidentally today, Tuesday, was Brexit#999, it's now been nine hundred and ninety-nine days since the vote.

Less than 10 days to go.

[viper37]

That is how it is supposed to work.

is that centrist-idealist or lawful-good?

[Tamas]

In her LBC phone-in Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the Commons, has confirmed that Theresa May will ask for a short extension of article 50.

She would not say what length extension the government would be requesting, but she said the UK could not be participating in the European elections.

It was just a week ago that May declared in Parliament: if her deal is not accepted by today, then such a long extension will be unavoidable that participation in the EU elections will become necessary.

There is just simply no humiliation she would not take in order to survive in power to the next day.

[Josquius]

Interesting idea someone came up with that I hope comes to pass: lib dems, greens, possibly SNP and Plaid, run in European elections under a common "remain" ticket.

[Tamas]

Interesting idea someone came up with that I hope comes to pass: lib dems, greens, possibly SNP and Plaid, run in European elections under a common "remain" ticket.

The situation as of 10:47AM today (it can drastically change any hour, and then back) is that we definitely want to avoid participating in the elections.

It would be extremely awkward in any case.

I think a lot of EU leaders, and France in particular, would much prefer a no-deal crashout to 4 more years of orphaned British MEPs messing things up. Their only problem must be how to avoid looking like they pushed Britain out with no deal.