Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[The Brain]

I'm coming around to the idea that there should be a 2nd referendum.

But it has to be in two parts, firstly Leave or Stay*. Then if the elector has chosen leave he/she gets a 2nd ballot to select May's deal (or whatever parliament agrees with EU_) or hard Brexit.


* people voting for stay don't get a 2nd ballot paper with the deal/no deal brexit options.

I coming around to the opinion that Britain should be colonized by another power with superior governance and working institutions, then run as a protectorate for a suitable period of time and then granted independence only when it is ready to handle the hard responsibilities of self-government.

Yes.

[Admiral Yi]

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

Show of hands, anyone who knows what this is.  I sure don't.

[Valmy]

From The Guardian:

May promised MPs a free vote, but the motion was carefully worded, with the final sentence stating that, "leaving without a deal remains the default in UK and EU law unless this house and the EU ratify an agreement".

However, MPs voted by 312 to 308 to support a backbench amendment which struck out that last phrase so as to rule out a no-deal exit altogether.

Wait, so stricking that phrase out will somehow magically prevent a no-deal? It was stating a fact. 

Was the understanding there either a deal or no Brexit at all?

[Richard Hakluyt]

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

Show of hands, anyone who knows what this is.  I sure don't.

You have three options; A is preferred to B, B is preferred to C, but C is preferred to A. The result is stalemate.

[Valmy]

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

Show of hands, anyone who knows what this is.  I sure don't.

I do but there is a French Revolution connection.

Anyway basically the idea is that the transitive property doesn't work in voting between three options.

[Syt]

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

Show of hands, anyone who knows what this is.  I sure don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_paradox

[Valmy]

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

Show of hands, anyone who knows what this is.  I sure don't.

You have three options; A is preferred to B, B is preferred to C, but C is preferred to A. The result is stalemate.

Yeah because under normal logical conditions A would therefore be preferred to C but not in politics.

[Maladict]

Do the EU members get to veto an extension individually? In that case we should let Ireland finish off these idiots. Or Spain. Or France. Or Germany. Come to think of it, does the UK have any friends left at all?

[Valmy]

Do the EU members get to veto an extension individually? In that case we should let Ireland finish off these idiots. Or Spain. Or France. Or Germany. Come to think of it, does the UK have any friends left at all?

Canada?

[HVC]

Do the EU members get to veto an extension individually? In that case we should let Ireland finish off these idiots. Or Spain. Or France. Or Germany. Come to think of it, does the UK have any friends left at all?

Canada?

Meh. It's like watching a self destructive alcoholic parent. I mean you still feel for them, but you want to stay far away form their shit

[Josquius]

I'm coming around to the idea that there should be a 2nd referendum.

But it has to be in two parts, firstly Leave or Stay*. Then if the elector has chosen leave he/she gets a 2nd ballot to select May's deal (or whatever parliament agrees with EU_) or hard Brexit.


* people voting for stay don't get a 2nd ballot paper with the deal/no deal brexit options. 

Mays deal is hard brexit.
No deal is lunatics brexit.

I've long thought Mays Deal or not was the most likely- with not making things very vague and meaning a 2 year extension whilst someone had another try.
Seems somewhat likely these days they may force Mays deal or remain. Though Mays Deal or No Deal is very possible and is the ultimate cheat.

[crazy canuck]

Do the EU members get to veto an extension individually? In that case we should let Ireland finish off these idiots. Or Spain. Or France. Or Germany. Come to think of it, does the UK have any friends left at all?

Canada?

We just made a trade deal with the EU.  I doubt very much Canada would put that in jeopardy.

[Zanza]

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

Show of hands, anyone who knows what this is.  I sure don't.

The mathematical theory behind rock, paper, scissors... 

[Malthus]

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

Show of hands, anyone who knows what this is.  I sure don't.

The mathematical theory behind rock, paper, scissors... 

I voted for scissors!

[Zanza]

Do the EU members get to veto an extension individually? In that case we should let Ireland finish off these idiots. Or Spain. Or France. Or Germany. Come to think of it, does the UK have any friends left at all?

Yes, article 50 states that the remaining countries must agree to an extension unanimously, i.e. each country has a veto.