Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Valmy]

In the event of no-deal is the British Army ready to re-deploy in Northern Ireland?

[Valmy]

What does the no no-deal deal mean? How can the British parliament guarantee that there won't be a no-deal? If the EU doesn't agree to an extension beyond the election and May can't get a deal through in time, then there's only cancelling Brexit left, no?

I mean...logically. And maybe that is why the vote was so close.

[The Minsky Moment]

Parliament voted to reject a no-deal 312-308. Fucking 312-308? WTF is wrong with that country?

Well there is no way a delay is winning so...

Like I said, Cordorcet Paradox.

[Syt]

This starts to feel like a Monty Python improv gone horribly wrong and lasting waaaay too long.

[The Minsky Moment]

There are reports that some Brexiteers are actively lobbying Polish, Hungarian and Italian governments to veto an Article 50 extension.

Does Britain still use drawing and quartering as a penalty for treason?

[mongers]

I'm coming around to the idea that there should be a 2nd referendum.

But it has to be in two parts, firstly Leave or Stay*. Then if the elector has chosen leave he/she gets a 2nd ballot to select May's deal (or whatever parliament agrees with EU_) or hard Brexit.


* people voting for stay don't get a 2nd ballot paper with the deal/no deal brexit options. 

[PJL]

The 'no deal' votes are meaningless since no deal is still the default option. It's probably the only thing the EU and Jacob Rees-Mogg agree on right now.

[The Minsky Moment]

I'm coming around to the idea that there should be a 2nd referendum.

But it has to be in two parts, firstly Leave or Stay*. Then if the elector has chosen leave he/she gets a 2nd ballot to select May's deal (or whatever parliament agrees with EU_) or hard Brexit.


* people voting for stay don't get a 2nd ballot paper with the deal/no deal brexit options.

I coming around to the opinion that Britain should be colonized by another power with superior governance and working institutions, then run as a protectorate for a suitable period of time and then granted independence only when it is ready to handle the hard responsibilities of self-government.

[mongers]

I'm coming around to the idea that there should be a 2nd referendum.

But it has to be in two parts, firstly Leave or Stay*. Then if the elector has chosen leave he/she gets a 2nd ballot to select May's deal (or whatever parliament agrees with EU_) or hard Brexit.


* people voting for stay don't get a 2nd ballot paper with the deal/no deal brexit options.

I coming around to the opinion that Britain should be colonized by another power with superior governance and working institutions, then run as a protectorate for a suitable period of time and then granted independence only when it is ready to handle the hard responsibilities of self-government.

Like with Iraq? 

[Tamas]

Parliament voted to reject a no-deal 312-308. Fucking 312-308? WTF is wrong with that country?

Well there is no way a delay is winning so...

No that vote was to amend the motion so that with the main motion they'd rule out no-deal forever, not just on the 29th of March as per the original amendment.

Now the main -amended- motion has been voted on with a bigger majority than that, to reject no-deal.

As I understand, May just offered 3 options:
-no deal
-short extension plus her deal
-long extension plus EU Parliament elections plus who knows what

[Tamas]

And neither Hungary nor Poland would veto an A50 extension. The grandkids of their core voters all live in the UK

[The Larch]

It is fucking crazy that almost half of parliament want a No Deal Brexit outright. It was supposed to be a fringe option and now it's the most plausible outcome.

[celedhring]

From The Guardian:

May promised MPs a free vote, but the motion was carefully worded, with the final sentence stating that, "leaving without a deal remains the default in UK and EU law unless this house and the EU ratify an agreement".

However, MPs voted by 312 to 308 to support a backbench amendment which struck out that last phrase so as to rule out a no-deal exit altogether.

Wait, so stricking that phrase out will somehow magically prevent a no-deal? It was stating a fact. 

[The Brain]

UK politicians are morans.

[Tamas]

The government motion tabled for tomorrow sets next Wednesday as the deadline for MPs to pass a Brexit deal. It says, if a deal is passed by then, the government will seek an extension of article 50 until 30 June. But if the deal is not passed by then, then the government will need a longer extension, requiring the UK to take part in European elections, the motion says.

So in effect nothing has changed. May is still pushing her deal, except next time they'll vote on it 9 days before leaving.