Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[celedhring]

John Bercow addresses Parliament at the doors of Brexit, by Caravaggio

[Josquius]

Today is the danger day. If this goes the right way we should be in the clear to delay. Which opens up lots of opportunities and is a very good thing (tm).
Which is what makes it so dangerous.

Actually, I can totally see these short-sighted imbicles say no both to no-deal today, and the extension tomorrow.


One thing to worry about is that the Brexit secretary this morning put today's vote in the potential context of no-deal vs no-brexit, in which case -he declared- he'd prefer no deal.

Yeah, that's the worry, that and the whole 'we need to threaten Europe with no deal to get something good' angle that mays lot seem to be keen on .

I don't see many labour going for no deal. The key is the centre right tories and whether they put party loyalty or the country first.

[Syt]

[Valmy]

I had read that Macron is interested in seeing Brexit hurting the UK.  Not out of spite, but as warning as to what could happen if LePen get's elected.




May may go down in history as a worse PM than Anthony Eden.

I'm assuming you've got Cameron marked as the worst modern one?

I wouldn't say May necessarily goes down as worse than Eden, as his crisis was largely of his own making.
On the other hand, May choose to sup from the poisoned challis of Brexit, something someone had to do.  Not that she's made a good job of it, but I think nearly everyone would have messed it up given the nature of the current parliament.

Crisis is what what reveals good leaders from bad ones.  I see May as an extension of Cameron's bad policy.  The view from over here is that everything in British politics is all fucked up.  I have a strong aversion to Corbyn and the antisemitism in the Labor party but I couldn't vote for the the maliciousness and incompetence of the Tories.  If I was a British citizen (or are you guys called subjects?  I don't know), I would be that most reviled thing, a Blairite.  Honestly, I don't know if I'd even vote at all.

I would hope you would add your hypothetical Liberal Democrat vote to mine. Together we can hypothetically build a better Britain.

[celedhring]

Yeah, the Lib-Dems don't seem to be profiting much from the incompetence/wickedness deployed these past months. It seems to me FPTP pretty much locks a Kang vs Kodoss scenario in the UK.

[Valmy]

Yeah, the Lib-Dems don't seem to be profiting much from the incompetence/wickedness deployed these past months. It seems to me FPTP pretty much locks a Kang vs Kodoss scenario in the UK.

For some, completely unjustified, reason I think people hold them responsible for Cameron becoming Prime Minister. Outrageous slander!

[Tamas]

Yes, plus being seen the middle ground can't help in an age where yelling extreme views is seen as the only way to solve the world's problems

[Josquius]

Labour really aren't that bad.
Corbyn is a kook but he lies pretty near the extreme and is a democrat. Labours policies fall in the middle of the party which is left of Blair but firmly rooted in planet earth.
More Scandinavian socialism than Che Guevera.
Their games on Brexit are the dodgy point however. And what a dodgy point to have.

[Zoupa]

https://youtu.be/xABJ3sWKIxI

Enjoy

[Zanza]

There are reports that some Brexiteers are actively lobbying Polish, Hungarian and Italian governments to veto an Article 50 extension. 

[crazy canuck]

There are reports that some Brexiteers are actively lobbying Polish, Hungarian and Italian governments to veto an Article 50 extension.

Doubling down on dumb is the Brexiteer way

[Josquius]

There are reports that some Brexiteers are actively lobbying Polish, Hungarian and Italian governments to veto an Article 50 extension. 

Yeah, they say Banks and co. were spotted in Veneto.

[Josquius]

Rejected.
But fuck thats tight. 312-308

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995

[Valmy]

Parliament voted to reject a no-deal 312-308. Fucking 312-308? WTF is wrong with that country?

Well there is no way a delay is winning so...

[Liep]

What does the no no-deal deal mean? How can the British parliament guarantee that there won't be a no-deal? If the EU doesn't agree to an extension beyond the election and May can't get a deal through in time, then there's only cancelling Brexit left, no?