Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[alfred russel]

Actually, for all the political chaos and theater, distinctly negative results have not happened.

[Razgovory]

I wonder if the 7 British Languishites who voted leave still think that was a good idea.

Great point.  Any takers?

Angulutus (?sp) thingy was one, but he only occasionally drive-by posts now.

Also, he shoves legos up his butt.

[Valmy]

Actually, for all the political chaos and theater, distinctly negative results have not happened.

That a fact? I mean nothing has technically changed yet so why would they?

[Admiral Yi]

That a fact? I mean nothing has technically changed yet so why would they?

Because people can plan ahead.  Banks for example were expected to abandon ship en mass.

[Valmy]

That a fact? I mean nothing has technically changed yet so why would they?

Because people can plan ahead.  Banks for example were expected to abandon ship en mass.

Planning ahead is not the British way.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Growth rate has slowed somewhat; investment has stalled; the economy is probably 1-2% smaller than it would have been. Most of the brexit-voting class were not participating in the proceeds of growth anyway, except indirectly...........the public services continue to decline. Also the supply of EU migrants is drying up and wages have started to rise in real terms again.......may or may not be a link there.

[Iormlund]

I wonder if the 7 British Languishites who voted leave still think that was a good idea.

Apparently I was one of them. 

Maybe I wanted to mark the "Other Yuro - Remain" option and missed? 

[Iormlund]

Actually, for all the political chaos and theater, distinctly negative results have not happened.

From my perspective they really have. Whereas 4 years ago I was actively engaging Brit recruiters, these days a job offer in the UK is automatically discarded. Also, as I've said before, our sister plant in the UK is closing down at a time when all our other European plants are at full capacity. Might be a coincidence, but I doubt that. It seems much more likely that our management sees a dark future for the British car industry.

[Tamas]

Let's not forget: today there's just as much certainty about the exact nature of Brexit as it was on the morning after the referendum. Already a lot of money has left (or been decided never to come) to the UK, and this has been just due diligence from firms due to the uncertainty. Obviously business will be reluctant to uproot itself when things can still return to relatively normal - that'd be foolish I think.

So when we say "its not so bad so far" let's not forget that Brexit hasn't actually happened yet, and indeed it's final form has not been decided yet.

[Josquius]

Yes, recruiters in the digital area are having troubles these days I've heard. Not many foreigners keen to put their dick in the mouse trap and many Brits jumping ship too.

Let's all remember that Britain's recent crappy growth rather than expected decline is due to
1: huge steps taken by the bank of England to keep things steady
2: foreign buy ups of reduced price British industries.
3: very good growth across the rest of Europe (until the past few months)

[celedhring]

My company is quite multinational and we recruit a lot in England (we currently have several brits in the team I'm in). That's going to stop once we have to go through all the immigration red tape every time we want to recruit, except for above-the-line positions (say, directors or actors).

[Iormlund]

Spanish work-visa system is dog shit, even for high skilled candidates. It basically makes workers indentured servants to their employers for years, who in turn have to invest significantly to get paperwork through.

Good luck to any Brit who wants to work over here in case of no deal. It's not going to be easy.

[alfred russel]

Actually, for all the political chaos and theater, distinctly negative results have not happened.

That a fact? I mean nothing has technically changed yet so why would they?

I was responding to CC's question to the 7 brits who voted to leave if they still felt that way...I'm not sure anything has happened that would really change a lot of people's minds.

[alfred russel]

Growth rate has slowed somewhat; investment has stalled; the economy is probably 1-2% smaller than it would have been. Most of the brexit-voting class were not participating in the proceeds of growth anyway, except indirectly...........the public services continue to decline. Also the supply of EU migrants is drying up and wages have started to rise in real terms again.......may or may not be a link there.

Growth rate projections, investment, economic size...up to a point these are all statistics that experts announce (I say "up to a point" because the statistics can become obvious: eastern europe is poorer than western, venezuela's economy is struggling, etc). Very similar to how they announced that brexit would have negative consequences.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Actually, for all the political chaos and theater, distinctly negative results have not happened.

That a fact? I mean nothing has technically changed yet so why would they?

I was responding to CC's question to the 7 brits who voted to leave if they still felt that way...I'm not sure anything has happened that would really change a lot of people's minds.

I agree with this to an extent. The difference between remainers and leavers on brexit is primarily cultural and political, not economic. I'm a remainer because I'm in favour of the European project, any adverse economic consequences just rub salt into the wound. For the leavers any adverse economic consequences are a necessary price to leave the much-hated European project.

As ever there are 20% of people in the middle who are persuadable one way or the other.

By trying to terrify leavers with economic arguments remainers are missing the point. Far better to stress the extent to which we would still adhere to EU rules after brexit, the smallness of the EU bureaucracy, the smallness of the EU budget .........and so on.