Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Tamas]

Brexit: UK has rolled over just £16bn out of £117bn trade deals
Liam Fox has agreed deals with only seven of 69 countries covered by EU arrangements

[grumbler]

Though importantly they did discuss fly-tipping and food waste.   

Is fly-tipping a big problem in the UK?  In the US, any attempt to tip flies results in them just flying away.

[garbon]

Though importantly they did discuss fly-tipping and food waste.   

Is fly-tipping a big problem in the UK?  In the US, any attempt to tip flies results in them just flying away.

Pretty sure that I killed a few flies that way, bub.

[Zanza]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/13/kicking-up-dust-little-sign-of-progress-in-uk-eu-talks

So the EU says the British are only 'pretending to negotiate' to run down the clock. Everybody seems resigned to no deal.

[Razgovory]

Can grocery stores and drug stores do anything to prevent shortages.  People could die if there is even a temporary shortage of medicines.

[Josquius]

People will die.
It is known.

[The Larch]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/13/kicking-up-dust-little-sign-of-progress-in-uk-eu-talks

So the EU says the British are only 'pretending to negotiate' to run down the clock. Everybody seems resigned to no deal.

When one of the UK's leading negotiators is caught basically admitting that while having drinks in a Brussels bar then it's fair for the EU to stop taking the UK seriously and/or in good faith in these "negotiations" right now.

[dps]

People will die.
It is known.

Yep, all of us, eventually.

[mongers]

More stupidity today, the 'government' lost a vote, stabbed in the back by the hardline Brexiteers/ERG, May didn't have the courage to appear in the commons as the vote was announced, so Corbyn made hay.   

Rumours are some labour MPs are about (within the next 2-4 weeks) to leave the party.   

I think there's one remaining chance for anti-No deal MPs to mount a coup against both leaders and move a successful motion to rule out an no deal brexit, hopefully. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

I don't regard the chaos in the commons as a bad thing. The problem is an utterly incompetent government and a comprehensively useless official opposition. While it might be convenient in the short term for the commons to rubberstamp government plans I think it would create greater long term damage by completely discrediting our system of government.

[dps]

Can grocery stores and drug stores do anything to prevent shortages.  People could die if there is even a temporary shortage of medicines.

I would assume that they could stock extra inventory ahead of Brexit (though obviously some things can't really be ordered too much ahead or they will just go to waste).  But if they haven't already done so, it might be too late.  I'm not totally convinced that there will actually be shortages of foods and medicines, but if I were running a grocery store or drug store in the UK, I'd certainly plan on the possibility. 

[Razgovory]

I'm not convinced either, and even if there are shortage it might be just minor things like flowers or ginger.  Still, if there is a possibility of a shortage of vital goods it should be taken very seriously.


Honestly I don't know what will happen with Brexit.  I don't think anyone does.

[Josquius]

I wouldn't see starving on the streets. But I think on medicines et al there will be shortages if the government stupidly barrels ahead.
There's just too much necessary and reliant on very fragile supply chains

[Syt]

[Tamas]

I refuse to be interested in this latest "shock defeat" - a meaningless bill to support in spirit what we already knew the MPs don't want to be seen supporting (can also be called reality).

Plus, of course it got defeated. It was a Brexit-related bill to support something. It should have been against something and then it would have gotten a majority.

Meanwhile there's no negotiation with the EU and no progress on, well anything.



Ultimately, unfortunate or not, at this moment in time the best option is May's deal. As a friend of mine aptly put it: MPs rejecting it now is like a drowning man in the sea refusing a rescue boat, insisting to wait for a ship to pick him up.