Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Syt on December 12, 2018, 02:53:24 AM
Tory leader. Ok. Would it be very weird to not be party leader but still be PM?

She would step down as PM if she ceased to be Tory leader; unless something unusual happened, like a government of National Unity.

Tamas

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 12, 2018, 02:55:57 AM
a government of National Unity.

Personally, I would not hold my breath waiting for that one.

Richard Hakluyt

It is unlikely.

But quite a few possibilities open up as the chaos continues; the Queen, for example, may soon face a not obvious choice as to whom to invite to form a government.

garbon

Unless, she survives in which case May will feel stronger than ever.
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Tamas

Quote from: garbon on December 12, 2018, 03:20:20 AM
Unless, she survives in which case May will feel stronger than ever.

I think there's a good chance for that. I mean, what's the Tory alternative? Either they elect a non-radical in which case nothing really changes, or they go with somebody who will want a no-deal exit, which will cost them the next 4 elections.

Richard Hakluyt

The convention is that she would need to win easily; eg if 100 or so voted against her then she would stand down; but these are unconventional times.

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Josquius

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 12, 2018, 03:28:14 AM
The convention is that she would need to win easily; eg if 100 or so voted against her then she would stand down; but these are unconventional times.


Definitely wouldn't see May doing that. She has already shown contempt for convention.
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Monoriu

Where is their loyalty to their Prime Minister :weep:

garbon

Quote from: Tyr on December 12, 2018, 03:48:18 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 12, 2018, 03:28:14 AM
The convention is that she would need to win easily; eg if 100 or so voted against her then she would stand down; but these are unconventional times.


Definitely wouldn't see May doing that. She has already shown contempt for convention.

You keep saying that but what was her alternative, if implementing Brexit was her goal? Toss it to the three ring circus that is the House of Commons? Implementing Brexit was always going to involve pissing some people off. Being completely transparent on how the sausage was being made was a non-starter.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Josquius

The vote was planned. It should have gone ahead. This sort of only voting when you know something is going to past is actually done quite often in Europe ironically enough (albeit with compromises and redrafts) . But it's not the way things work in the UK.
And we all know the brexiters are big on doing things the British way rather than the foreign way.

And it isn't the first time. Refusing to release reports. Contempt of parliament. May is determined to cling onto power at all costs. Even if it was written in law she absolutely has to go she would try to wiggle out of it. With something that is mere convention....
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Syt

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garbon

Quote from: Tyr on December 12, 2018, 04:46:37 AM
The vote was planned. It should have gone ahead. This sort of only voting when you know something is going to past is actually done quite often in Europe ironically enough (albeit with compromises and redrafts) . But it's not the way things work in the UK.
And we all know the brexiters are big on doing things the British way rather than the foreign way.

And it isn't the first time. Refusing to release reports. Contempt of parliament. May is determined to cling onto power at all costs. Even if it was written in law she absolutely has to go she would try to wiggle out of it. With something that is mere convention....

I'm not sure any of that is counter to what I said. Doing that would have seen her tossed out faster and doesn't seem like it would have helped aim of carrying out Brexit (well unless one is happy for no deal).
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.