Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[The Larch]

 

[mongers]

Agreed. I guess the only thing is a hope that UK can scrap Brexit altogether on part of the Remainers? Otherwise, this seems like the best option of all exit worlds.

Indeed.

But you overlook the key point, this is a perfect opportunity for plotters to further their own narrow careerist plans.

One can only hope there's a core of decent MPs left in the commons who'll back this least worst compromise.

[mongers]

....

Also, apparently there have been 3 resignations today. I don't get this: why not resign last evening? Cowards.

Yes, pitiful cowards.

Including the guy who help negotiate the deal and signed off on it. 

Why didn't he resign when he realised the negotiations weren't going to agree with his principles? 

[Tamas]

Rees-Mogg is pushing for a coup.

[garbon]

Rees-Mogg is pushing for a coup.

But Guardian also notes that he doesn't have full support of the ERG?

[mongers]

Rees-Mogg is pushing for a coup.

Yeah, he's been planning this for a couple of years.

[Tamas]

Rees-Mogg is pushing for a coup.

But Guardian also notes that he doesn't have full support of the ERG?

Yeah if I was an aristocratic wanker with my head stuck up in the arse of the early 19th century I would not like to help a 1950s communist into power either.

[Tamas]

Raab said he did not blame May for taking over the process, describing it as "always a team effort"

You were the bloody Brexit minister! How can it even get to the stage of getting in front of the cabinet without you either changing it or resigning?!

This is an incredibly untalented generation of politicians.

[mongers]

Raab said he did not blame May for taking over the process, describing it as "always a team effort"

You were the bloody Brexit minister! How can it even get to the stage of getting in front of the cabinet without you either changing it or resigning?!

This is an incredibly untalented generation of politicians.

Yes I agree.

But I wouldn't say untalented, these particular ones are good at rising to the top, they just put career before principles or country.


I should add still I believe there are still a lot of decent MPs in the Commons.

[Richard Hakluyt]

There is a problem here. In the UK nowadays we think of politicians as being contemptible, so only contemptible people become politicians 

[Tamas]

Predictably, Corbyn is only interested in helping finishing May off, no matter the cost.

It is going well for him, a no-deal brexit which can be blamed solely on the Tories provides fertile soil for his socialist plans.

I've been reflecting on this, seeing how the leader of the opposition has been silent today apart from his half-arsed questions to May in Pairlament. For an idelogoue like him, a no-deal crash and burn IS the ideal outcome.

[Tamas]

There is a problem here. In the UK nowadays we think of politicians as being contemptible, so only contemptible people become politicians 

Also it is a horribly sub-par career choice. It takes a lot of effort, stress, a life in front of the public, and one single mistake will forever destroy all previous efforts.  And putting the same effort in and just rising to mid-level with some big corporation would net you more income, if we assume you stay with legal means.

[Tamas]

New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%

[Josquius]

Predictably, Corbyn is only interested in helping finishing May off, no matter the cost.

It is going well for him, a no-deal brexit which can be blamed solely on the Tories provides fertile soil for his socialist plans.

There certainly are some stupid socialists who believe this.
Some even voted for brexit with precisely this thinking.
More worryingly I see a lot of Scottish nationalists these days who seem swayed by such dishonest thinking- lets crash the UK so we can get out, vote leave on the People's Vote.

But it of course makes no logical sense. With a no deal brexit the name of the game for the next government will be trying to save as much of what we have. Any thoughts of making things better will be out of the window whilst time is taken constantly fighting economic fires.

So what then is Corbyn thinking?
He's a smart guy. He surely realises this himself.
Could it be he doesn't care and he just wants his 15 minutes as PM before he dies?...this I doubt. Glory hound doesn't fit his personality at all.

Is he thinking long term? Yes he won't accomplish anything but with brexit pinned on the Tories Labour will have decades to get the country back in shape?
Illogical.
Labour promising the world and failing to deliver would see them destroyed too.

Could it be he intends to lose the next election? Let the tories drive further into a ditch whilst Labour hibernates, ready to emerge after the smoke clears?
Again I doubt it.

This ignorance of Brexit served Labour well in the last election. But its time is over.
There's just no logical reason for Corbyn not to oppose it now.
Yet he does.
And this is a mystery.

[Zanza]

One good thing about this: it taught me the new word "omnishambles".