The Paris Attack Debate Thread

[Jaron]

Teh BEEBZ

[Barrister]

Teh BEEBZ

[LaCroix]

that's why i said "mostly correct." broken world only goes so far. it's really whatever conditions exist that force a violent extreme group into existence. things like red army faction and the IRA formed more because there was a group of people who really desired something. the basis can be caused by religion, political ideology, ethnicity, nationalism, or one of many other reasons why people band together. but there has to be something going on for one person to convince others to jump on board. otherwise it's some ranting nut.

Did you just concede your entire point.

nope

[Admiral Yi]

nope

I thought your starting position was broken world was the indispensible component.

[LaCroix]

I thought your starting position was broken world was the indispensible component.

that can be a serious reason why. but there can be something else, like a group feeling under pressure/attack. broken world isn't indispensable, but it sure helps.

[Admiral Yi]

that can be a serious reason why. but there can be something else, like a group feeling under pressure/attack. broken world isn't indispensable, but it sure helps.

Something else, such as a religion that glorifies violence and retribution and magnifies perceived insults to the group?

Sure sounds to me like you're retreating from your previous position, without admitting that you are.

[LaCroix]

that can be a serious reason why. but there can be something else, like a group feeling under pressure/attack. broken world isn't indispensable, but it sure helps.

Something else, such as a religion that glorifies violence and retribution and magnifies perceived insults to the group?

Sure sounds to me like you're retreating from your previous position, without admitting that you are.

no, my position has always been that there's another reason for violence than mere classification. some ethnic groups commit violent acts, while many others don't. some religious groups commit violent acts, while many others don't. broken world explains why violent extremist muslim groups have erupted, but it's not gonna cover every instance because there can be other causes for violent individuals banding together to form a violent group.

[Admiral Yi]

no, my position has always been that there's another reason for violence than mere classification.

I don't understand what this means.

[LaCroix]

I don't understand what this means.

classification = classes of people, like religion, ethnicity, political ideology, etc. how people classify themselves.

[Admiral Yi]

classification = classes of people, like religion, ethnicity, political ideology, etc. how people classify themselves.

Then you seem to be contradicting yourself with this:

some ethnic groups commit violent acts, while many others don't. some religious groups commit violent acts, while many others don't.

[Valmy]

Flanby/Hollande worse than Hitler?

Of course not. He is not President of the United States.

In other news, seems the Union nationale is over at the Assemblée Nationale.

Who is rebelling?

[LaCroix]

Then you seem to be contradicting yourself with this:

some ethnic groups commit violent acts, while many others don't. some religious groups commit violent acts, while many others don't.

broad classifications. literally taken, yes, al-qaeda is a classification. i thought your argument was that all of islam is violent as witnessed by the actions of violent islamic groups. i'm saying that's similar to all communists are violent as witnessed by the actions of the bolsheviks.

[jimmy olsen]

Russia just hammered Raqqa with the biggest bombing raid since Vietnam.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/russia-pounds-isis-with-biggest-bomber-raid-in-decades.html

[Admiral Yi]

broad classifications. literally taken, yes, al-qaeda is a classification. i thought your argument was that all of islam is violent as witnessed by the actions of violent islamic groups. i'm saying that's similar to all communists are violent as witnessed by the actions of the bolsheviks.

I have never said all Muslims are violent.  That would be empirically ridiculous.  I have said violence is a key, unalterable component of the holy text, and that because of this sacred endorsement of violence--nay, the elevation of violence to a sacred duty-- Muslims have a higher proclivity for violence than members of other religions.

[Valmy]

Russia just hammered Raqqa with the biggest bombing raid since Vietnam.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/russia-pounds-isis-with-biggest-bomber-raid-in-decades.html

U mad Russia?