Shootings and explosions in Paris

[Martinus]

The ultra-left's bizarre and seemingly automatic siding with the underdog, regardless of how odious said underdog might be, is a rather odd thing.

Just to be clear - I am NOT siding with Marty's stance here. I don't think closing borders is practical or useful.

Since when this is my stance? 

My stance is:

1. Being concerned about Muslim immigration does not mean you are a racist.
2. There is a problem with Muslim immigration and until we recognise there is a problem, we will not be able to come up with an appropriate solution.
3. Also, until we recognise there is a problem, we will be pushing more and more people into the hands of right wing populists.

If you're concerned about Muslim immigration separately and apart from immigration of other peoples and religions, it kind of does mean you're a bit racist.  You're specifically judging immigrants based on their ethnic background or religious belief.

Islam is not a race.  In fact, most right wingers in Europe are perfectly happy to accept Syrian refugees, as long as they are Christian.

[Martinus]

Anyway, Berkut, see? It's racist to judge people based on their religious belief. I rest my case.

[Razgovory]

If you're concerned about Muslim immigration separately and apart from immigration of other peoples and religions, it kind of does mean you're a bit racist.  You're specifically judging immigrants based on their ethnic background or religious belief.

Well, Marty has suggested that everyone is a at least a little bit racist, which I suppose means he knows he's a little bit racist.

[derspiess]

Raz is racist against Republicans.

[Martinus]

Raz is racist against Republicans.

That's some alliteration there.

[Barrister]

The ultra-left's bizarre and seemingly automatic siding with the underdog, regardless of how odious said underdog might be, is a rather odd thing.

Just to be clear - I am NOT siding with Marty's stance here. I don't think closing borders is practical or useful.

Since when this is my stance? 

My stance is:

1. Being concerned about Muslim immigration does not mean you are a racist.
2. There is a problem with Muslim immigration and until we recognise there is a problem, we will not be able to come up with an appropriate solution.
3. Also, until we recognise there is a problem, we will be pushing more and more people into the hands of right wing populists.

If you're concerned about Muslim immigration separately and apart from immigration of other peoples and religions, it kind of does mean you're a bit racist.  You're specifically judging immigrants based on their ethnic background or religious belief.

Islam is not a race.  In fact, most right wingers in Europe are perfectly happy to accept Syrian refugees, as long as they are Christian.

What about you - are you "perfectly happy to accept Syrian refugees, as long as they are Christian"?

Even if you are, saying "discriminating based on ethnic group is wrong, but discriminating based on religion is A-OK" is strongly out of line with how most people view tolerance and human rights.

[Valmy]

Raz is racist regarding Republicans?

[Capetan Mihali]

I wish I could convert to Islam, but I don't have the facial hair to do it properly.

[Valmy]

I wish I could convert to Islam, but I don't have the facial hair to do it properly.

The Mormons will still take you

[Martinus]

Beeb, let's agree to (strongly) disagree. I really have no wish rehashing this old argument again.

[Razgovory]

Raz is racist regarding Republicans?

I think Sarah Palin said something like that once.

[Barrister]

Beeb, let's agree to (strongly) disagree. I really have no wish rehashing this old argument again.

Fair enough.

[Eddie Teach]

Raz is racist regarding Republicans?

I think Sarah Palin said something like that once.

She knows you well.

[Berkut]

The ultra-left's bizarre and seemingly automatic siding with the underdog, regardless of how odious said underdog might be, is a rather odd thing.

Just to be clear - I am NOT siding with Marty's stance here. I don't think closing borders is practical or useful.

Since when this is my stance? 

My stance is:

1. Being concerned about Muslim immigration does not mean you are a racist.
2. There is a problem with Muslim immigration and until we recognise there is a problem, we will not be able to come up with an appropriate solution.
3. Also, until we recognise there is a problem, we will be pushing more and more people into the hands of right wing populists.

If you're concerned about Muslim immigration separately and apart from immigration of other peoples and religions, it kind of does mean you're a bit racist. 

That is just bullshit.

The fact is that different groups with different cultures and belief systems present different issues in a variety of ways.

Recognizing that there are differences between some Indian engineer immigrating and some Islamic refugee fleeing and structuring the processes and policies accordingly is not "racist". It is recognizing a fact that matters.

Pretending like two things that are not the same are the same because you are terrified of being called a racist is what is fucked up about this kind of supposed liberalism.

[Barrister]

The ultra-left's bizarre and seemingly automatic siding with the underdog, regardless of how odious said underdog might be, is a rather odd thing.

Just to be clear - I am NOT siding with Marty's stance here. I don't think closing borders is practical or useful.

Since when this is my stance? 

My stance is:

1. Being concerned about Muslim immigration does not mean you are a racist.
2. There is a problem with Muslim immigration and until we recognise there is a problem, we will not be able to come up with an appropriate solution.
3. Also, until we recognise there is a problem, we will be pushing more and more people into the hands of right wing populists.

If you're concerned about Muslim immigration separately and apart from immigration of other peoples and religions, it kind of does mean you're a bit racist. 

That is just bullshit.

The fact is that different groups with different cultures and belief systems present different issues in a variety of ways.

Recognizing that there are differences between some Indian engineer immigrating and some Islamic refugee fleeing and structuring the processes and policies accordingly is not "racist". It is recognizing a fact that matters.

Pretending like two things that are not the same are the same because you are terrified of being called a racist is what is fucked up about this kind of supposed liberalism.

There are two very different things in your situation.

First, you have a skilled engineer lawfully immigrating, and you're comparing it to a refugee (who is not specified as being skilled, so presumably isn't).  Of course the two matters are completely different!  Their ability to integrate and obtain employment, the level of dysfunction that having lived through a civil war may cause... there are hundreds if not thousands of ways those people should be treated differently.

But if you say that someone fleeing civil war in, say, Eastern Ukraine, should be treated differently from someone fleeing civil war in Syria, I'm going to say yeah, that kind of sounds racist.