Russian airliner crashes in central Sinai - Egyptian PM

[Berkut]

CNN is now freaking out as well, citing earlier freaking out of the Brits and Americans.

I am starting to freak out a bit as well.

[MadImmortalMan]

So I guess that video I saw from ISIS was possibly real.

[Jacob]

CNN is now freaking out as well, citing earlier freaking out of the Brits and Americans.

I am starting to freak out a bit as well.

... uh oh.

Should the rest of us start freaking out?

[Berkut]

CNN is now freaking out as well, citing earlier freaking out of the Brits and Americans.

I am starting to freak out a bit as well.

... uh oh.

Should the rest of us start freaking out?

[Liep]

CNN is now freaking out as well, citing earlier freaking out of the Brits and Americans.

I am starting to freak out a bit as well.

... uh oh.

Should the rest of us start freaking out?

I think so, unless your standard is better than mine.

[jimmy olsen]

Maybe the Russians are telling the truth after all?

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html

CNN)—Days after authorities dismissed claims that ISIS brought down a Russian passenger jet, a U.S. intelligence analysis now suggests that the terror group or its affiliates planted a bomb on the plane.

British Foreign Minister Philip Hammond said his government believes there is a "significant possibility" the plane was brought down by an explosive device. And a Middle East source briefed on intelligence matters also said it appears likely a bomb was placed aboard the aircraft.

Metrojet Flight 9268 crashed Saturday in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula after breaking apart in midair, killing all 224 people on board. It was en route to St. Petersburg from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh.

The latest U.S. intelligence suggests that the plane crash was most likely caused by a bomb on the plane planted by ISIS or an affiliate, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.

"There is a definite feeling it was an explosive device planted in luggage or somewhere on the plane," the official said, stressing that no formal conclusion had been reached by the U.S. intelligence community.

The assessment was reached, the official said, by looking back at intelligence reports that had been gathered before Saturday's plane crash and intelligence gathered since then. The United States did not have credible or verified intelligence of a specific threat before the crash. However, the official said, "there had been additional activity in Sinai that had caught our attention."

Egyptian authorities haven't publicly responded to reports on U.S. intelligence. Since the crash, they've downplayed the possibility that terrorism could be involved.

Additional intelligence supports the theory that someone at the Sharm el-Sheikh airport helped get a bomb onto the plane, another U.S. official said.

"This airport has lax security. It is known for that," the official said. "But there is intelligence suggesting an assist from someone at the airport. "

The intelligence regarding ISIS involvement, another U.S. official said, in partially based on monitoring of internal messages of the terrorist group. Those messages are separate from public ISIS claims of responsibility, that official said.

In an audio message from ISIS' Sinai branch that was posted on terror-related social media accounts Wednesday, the organization adamantly insisted that it brought down the flight.

"Find your black boxes and analyze them, give us the results of your investigation and the depth of your expertise and prove we didn't do it or how it was downed," the message said. "Die with your rage. We are the ones with God's blessing who brought it down. And God willing, one day we will reveal how, at the time we desire."

Britain, Ireland suspend flights from Egyptian resort city

News of the U.S. intelligence analysis comes hours after British Prime Minister David Cameron's office said a bomb might have caused the crash.

"While the investigation is still ongoing, we cannot say categorically why the Russian jet crashed," the Prime Minister's office said. "But as more information has come to light, we have become concerned that the plane may well have been brought down by an explosive device."

Flights due to leave Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, for the United Kingdom were being delayed his office said, as a precautionary measure to allow British aviation experts to assess security arrangements at the city's airport, Cameron's office said in its statement.

Ireland also said Wednesday that it was suspending all flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh until further notice, according to a statement from the Irish Aviation Authority.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry called the British decision to suspend flights "somewhat premature," as the investigation is not complete.

"We can appreciate, of course, the sense of responsibility and desire to provide protection to UK citizens. This is a desire that we equally share," he told CNN shortly after the British government's announcement. "But I think it is somewhat premature to make declarations related to what might or might not have happened to the aircraft before the investigation is completed and before there is a definitive cause for this crash."
At the airport on Wednesday, tensions quickly boiled over, one British tourist told CNN.

"People have been shouting at officials," said Sarah Cotterill, who was supposed to fly out of Sharm el-Sheikh Wednesday evening with her sister and their five children.

British embassy officials had just arrived at the airport terminal and put the passengers onto buses, she said.

"We are going to stay in a hotel in Sharm el-Sheikh. I don't know where. We don't know anything," she said. "The situation is hectic."


Militant battleground


Sharm el-Sheikh, where Flight 9268 began its journey, is a beach resort dotted with palm trees at the southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula. The plane crashed about 300 kilometers (185 miles) farther north, near a town called Housna, according to Egyptian authorities.

Sinai has been a battleground between ISIS-affiliated militants and Egyptian security forces in recent years. Hundreds have died in the fighting.

The militants appeared to claim responsibility for bringing down the Russian passenger jet in a statement posted online Saturday, but officials in Egypt and Russia have disputed that claim, saying there's no evidence to support it.

The U.S. State Department designated the ISIS Sinai affiliate, originally known as Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis, as a foreign terrorist organization in April 2014. ISIS in Sinai is one of the most active of all the ISIS affiliates and has bomb-making capabilities, according to U.S. intelligence. But if the group did plant a bomb on the plane, it would represent an increase in sophistication.

The officials say ISIS has not proved to be nearly as advanced with bomb-making capabilities as al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, a group that U.S. national security officials believed were working on nonmetallic bombs to be smuggled onto planes.

"This would be the most significant terrorist attack since 9/11, there's no doubt about that, with the Russian involvement in Syria," CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank said. "If ISIS really was responsible for this, this will turbocharge their popularity in the global jihadi movement."

Egypt's Interior Ministry said Tuesday that it wasn't stepping up security in Sharm el-Sheikh or at the resort city's airport "because there is no indication (the plane crash) was a terrorist operation."

But the U.S. Embassy in Cairo has sent a security message to its employees, instructing them not to travel anywhere in Sinai pending the outcome of the crash investigation.

State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters Wednesday that the move had nothing to do with any conclusion about why the plane crashed.



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"They did the prudent thing. They do what our posts do around the world every time when there is some security concern -- even when, especially when, we don't know why something happened," he said. "That's even more reason to restrict movement. You don't want people going into harm's way."


Russia vs. ISIS


Russia started launching airstrikes in Syria in September, saying it was coordinating with the country's government to target ISIS and other terrorists.

When news of the crash first broke, an ISIS-affiliated group known as Province of Sinai released a statement claiming responsibility for the crash, saying it had perpetrated the attack "in response to Russian airstrikes that killed hundreds of Muslims on Syrian land," according to Reuters. That claim was disputed by officials, who said ISIS couldn't have fired a missile to bring down the plane.

U.S. officials initially said they doubted Russia's claims that it was targeting ISIS in Syria. But Col. Steve Warren, a spokesman for the U.S. military's Operation Inherent Resolve targeting ISIS in Syria and Iraq, said on Wednesday that some Russian airstrikes were hitting ISIS targets in Syria.

"They've done hundreds of airstrikes at this point. I'm not putting out the count anymore, but they conduct airstrikes, but only a fraction of them have been against (ISIS) targets. And when I say fraction, I'm talking ... 10%," he said.

CNN's Pamela Brown, Elise Labott, Holly Yan, Mick Krever, Christiane Amanpour, Eliott C. McLaughlin, Margot Haddad, Salma Abdelaziz, Alla Eschenko, Ian Lee, Alex Felton, Susannah Cullinane, Sarah Sirgany, Nic Robertson and George Kazarian contributed to this report.


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[Razgovory]

It makes sense for ISIS not to claim it. Russia is bombing them but it is also helping them in bombing moderates. They don't want to bring everything onto themselves

Nothing ISIS does makes any sense.  I don't find the claim that ISIS or an ISIS affiliate bombed a plane in retaliation for Russian interference in Syria unrealistic.  If they did do this, I doubt it would produce a result ISIS would be happy with.

[Jacob]

Nothing ISIS does makes any sense.  I don't find the claim that ISIS or an ISIS affiliate bombed a plane in retaliation for Russian interference in Syria unrealistic.  If they did do this, I doubt it would produce a result ISIS would be happy with.

I don't know. The 9/11 bombings worked out pretty well for Al-Qaeda. I don't think Russia is going to have more success with retaliatory adventurism against extremist Muslims in the Middle East than the US did.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't know. The 9/11 bombings worked out pretty well for Al-Qaeda. I don't think Russia is going to have more success with retaliatory adventurism against extremist Muslims in the Middle East than the US did.

Our "retaliatory adventurism" against AQ worked out pretty damn well.

[Jacob]

Our "retaliatory adventurism" against AQ worked out pretty damn well.

I guess it's a matter of perspective.

What's your main metric of success? You got Bin Laden and a number of senior Al Qaeda people, for sure. What else do you reckon goes into the plus column?

Also I'm including the Iraq invasion as part of the calculus as I think it's unlikely it would have happened without the 9/11 attack.

[Admiral Yi]

What's your main metric of success?

We fucked up the people who fucked with us.

[Richard Hakluyt]

ISIS are after escalation, their triumph will come if we end up essentially at war with the 1.7bn muslims rather than some small fraction. I would say that currently the terrorist campaign is going well.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

CNN is now freaking out as well, citing earlier freaking out of the Brits and Americans.

I am starting to freak out a bit as well.

... uh oh.

Should the rest of us start freaking out?

I think so, unless your standard is better than mine.

Not The, but certainly a standard:

le freak, c'est chique?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

ISIS are after escalation, their triumph will come if we end up essentially at war with the 1.7bn muslims rather than some small fraction. I would say that currently the terrorist campaign is going well.

sounds like a fast track to the extinction of islam. Not every non-islamic power is as concerned about human life as the West.

[Josquius]

Nothing ISIS does makes any sense.  I don't find the claim that ISIS or an ISIS affiliate bombed a plane in retaliation for Russian interference in Syria unrealistic.  If they did do this, I doubt it would produce a result ISIS would be happy with.

I don't know. The 9/11 bombings worked out pretty well for Al-Qaeda. I don't think Russia is going to have more success with retaliatory adventurism against extremist Muslims in the Middle East than the US did.

Yep. I think it was done by someone ISIS related so...
1: Punish Russia for bombing Syria/generally being a jerk to muslims
2: Piss Russia off so it acts even more of a dick against muslims and drops even more bombs on Syria (thus bringing ISIS more recruits and paving the way towards the final everyone vs. muslims war).
3: Hopefully get what little political opposition there is in Russia to start opposing the war, thus causing unrest in Russia that will ultimately lead to more picking on muslims.

Not claiming it brings the same positive effects for ISIS as claiming it  would (except for a few minor high five moments)  whilst claiming it would ensure more of the bombs thrown at Syria come their way.