The Off Topic Topic

[Josquius]

Tyr, if a country's government buying up a private enterprise is capitalism, what isn't?

I know nothing of the situation and just going off what Tamas said here but it seems to be a political party buying the company to use it to rig elections in its favour.
Perfect example of what too little regulation does

Admit it - you're just trolling us at this point, right?

Not really. Why would I be?
I just found it funny that Tamas seems upset with a situation  that is a natural outgrowth of ott liberalism.

[Habbaku]

And the troll continues.

[Valmy]

Not really. Why would I be?

Because what you are saying makes no sense.

I just found it funny that Tamas seems upset with a situation  that is a natural outgrowth of ott liberalism.

How is nationalizing industries a natural outgrowth of liberalism? That is the opposite of liberalism.

[Valmy]

You're sort of missing my point Jacob.  I'm saying what's the point of writing a regulation that says 50% of power generation has to come from renewables when you can just go ahead and do it.

Eh it is a government department. The political masters still make regulations the bureaucrats have to implement.

[Josquius]

Not really. Why would I be?

Because what you are saying makes no sense.

I just found it funny that Tamas seems upset with a situation  that is a natural outgrowth of ott liberalism.

How is nationalizing industries a natural outgrowth of liberalism? That is the opposite of liberalism.

*Something that should be vital infrastructure is a private company available to be freely bought and sold and have it's prices changed without restrictions.
*the rich and powerful want to remain rich and powerful.
*said rich and powerful guys decide to buy the company to use it as part of their remain rich and powerful scheme.

It's extra funny as in a libertarian system, assuming the gods some how stop us devolving into mad max style savagery,  that's what would happen whit large. A few would gradually gain a monopoly over everything. 

[Valmy]

*Something that should be vital infrastructure is a private company available to be freely bought and sold and have it's prices changed without restrictions.

False. They are highly regulated monopolies who prices are tightly controlled. I should know. Regulating and controlling prices is my job.

*the rich and powerful want to remain rich and powerful.

Or in this case the ruling party running the government wants to remain in power.

*said rich and powerful guys decide to buy the company to use it as part of their remain rich and powerful scheme.

The ruling party controlling the government bought it for political reasons. This could happen under every single political and economic system ever invented and has nothing to do with liberalism.

It's extra funny as in a libertarian system, assuming the gods some how stop us devolving into mad max style savagery,  that's what would happen whit large. A few would gradually gain a monopoly over everything. 

Hungary is not and has never been a libertarian system.

[Admiral Yi]

Squeeze, you do understand it's the state, i.e. the people of Hungary, buying the company, not the party or its leaders, right?  In other words, exactly what you keep whinging for the state to do with rail roads in the UK.

[Josquius]

*Something that should be vital infrastructure is a private company available to be freely bought and sold and have it's prices changed without restrictions.

False. They are highly regulated monopolies who prices are tightly controlled. I should know. Regulating and controlling prices is my job.

*the rich and powerful want to remain rich and powerful.

Or in this case the ruling party running the government wants to remain in power.

*said rich and powerful guys decide to buy the company to use it as part of their remain rich and powerful scheme.

The ruling party controlling the government bought it for political reasons. This could happen under every single political and economic system ever invented and has nothing to do with liberalism.

It's extra funny as in a libertarian system, assuming the gods some how stop us devolving into mad max style savagery,  that's what would happen whit large. A few would gradually gain a monopoly over everything. 

Hungary is not and has never been a libertarian system.

1: from what Tamas said it seems not in Hungary.
2: yes.
3: not really. Point 1 is the key here. It was available to be freely bought and exploited. A system with better control over the energy sector wouldn't have this gaping problem.
4: :facepalm:

[Admiral Yi]

I must say that in the entire range of the Joe Squeeze experience this particular line is the most baffling.

[Habbaku]

Jesus Christ.  Tyr wants the state to buy up/nationalize businesses, yet when it happens, that is a bad thing?  Maybe it's a language barrier issue.

[11B4V]

Man, getting a job is hard.

What career field are you trying to get into?

[Syt]

[Grey Fox]

You're sort of missing my point Jacob.  I'm saying what's the point of writing a regulation that says 50% of power generation has to come from renewables when you can just go ahead and do it.

Because the government entity might not be the only player in the field.

[Valmy]

1: from what Tamas said it seems not in Hungary.

Huh. I doubt that but to be fair I do not recall much of what Tamas has said about Hungarian utilities.

2: yes.

Ok then. So the state is doing this in service of the ruling party's political interests. 

3: not really. Point 1 is the key here. It was available to be freely bought and exploited. A system with better control over the energy sector wouldn't have this gaping problem.

The state is sovereign Tyr. What system would over-ride state sovereignty? Who is it that you are expecting to control the energy sector? And I highly doubt any sale of a utility in Hungary does not have to be approved by regulators first. It would make no sense if that was not the case.

4: :facepalm:

It is true dude. Orban and company are pretty explicitly anti-liberal and western-skeptics.

[Razgovory]

Man, getting a job is hard.

What career field are you trying to get into?

One that will hire me.