The Off Topic Topic

[garbon]

I don't think the UK has visas where you can stay but not work.
Well, except for asylum seekers.

Yes, I think with most categories you can work but I think there are limitations, as in one type where you can only work for sponsoring company or cap on hours as a student. I think I've seen you can maybe get a student visa as a part time student that won't allow you to work at all.

[Syt]

I don't think the UK has visas where you can stay but not work.
Well, except for asylum seekers.

No exceptions for independently wealthy people who just want to chill in London?

[The Brain]

Perhaps that was too strong a term. I'm just a migrant

You pass, like night, from land to land?

Who you calling ancient?

Er... certainly not you, guv.

[garbon]

I don't think the UK has visas where you can stay but not work.
Well, except for asylum seekers.

No exceptions for independently wealthy people who just want to chill in London?

Oh maybe I misread him as there are multiple routes where you can come to the UK and not work, even for plebs, like student, spousal, dependent visa. Just need to yourself or sponsor meet the financial requirements.

[Josquius]

Don't students have work rights?
Spouses do too I'm certain.

[garbon]

Don't students have work rights?
Spouses do too I'm certain.

Two different things. There are some visas that don't allow working like part time student and then there is separately visas you can get without working. I read you as saying there aren't any visa types that don't grant to work but I think Syt was looking at it as you saying all visas require people to work to get them.

[Sheilbh]

No exceptions for independently wealthy people who just want to chill in London?

I think there used to be an "entrepreneur's visa" where you have to make something like a £1 million investment in UK companies - that's been replaced by "innovator visa" and "start-up visa" but those require you to actually intend to set-up a business in the UK not just invest in a business.

I'm sure there are ways for the independently wealthy to get a visa if they want one - as I imagine is the case everywhere in the world, because they can afford very good immigration lawyers.

Two different things. There are some visas that don't allow working like part time student and then there is separately visas you can get without working. I read you as saying there aren't any visa types that don't grant to work but I think Syt was looking at it as you saying all visas require people to work to get them.

Yeah and I think the time you have after you finish studying to find a job and get a work visa was cut quite dramatically by Theresa May but has been extended back to what it used to be.

But yeah I think the various visa rules are incredibly complex. I mentioned before but I have a friend who's been deported from the US because he got engaged - he was there on a work visa that didn't give him the right to try and settle permanently. An immigration officer worked out that him and his girlfriend were engaged which would allow him to settle permanently so he was in breach of his visa and deported.

His employers are happy to pay for good immigration lawyers but it's very difficult to appeal decisions like that apparently and it will create problems for them when they get married (it was meant to happen in 2020) as, for now, the easiest solution would probably be for her to move to the UK.

[The Larch]

I guess that the super rich of the world might only want residence rights rather than a visa to allow them to work in the UK, unless there's no residence rights independent from visas.

[garbon]

I guess that the super rich of the world might only want residence rights rather than a visa to allow them to work in the UK, unless there's no residence rights independent from visas.

Indefinite leave to remain definitely has benefits over a standard visa though I'm not sure how relevant they would be for the wealthy (access to public funds, able to apply for jobs that require ILR, home student rates, no longer need to apply again and again for visas).

[Sheilbh]

I guess that the super rich of the world might only want residence rights rather than a visa to allow them to work in the UK, unless there's no residence rights independent from visas.

Maybe? I've no idea - I'm not sure how residence rights might suddenly trigger tax obligations which I'm sure they'd like to avoid.

My guess would be that they want to be resident in, say, Monaco but with rights to chill in London, Paris, New York etc - which depending on their nationality they might be able to do with a tourist visa/non-visa three month stay.

[Tonitrus]

I don't think the UK has visas where you can stay but not work.
Well, except for asylum seekers.

No exceptions for independently wealthy people who just want to chill in London?

I imagine that if you are THAT independently wealthy, one could just chill in London for a bit, then chill in Paris, then maybe Barcelona, then NYC, then rotate round again. 

[Eddie Teach]

They may not enjoy all the travel.

[Sheilbh]

They may not enjoy all the travel.

Then why do they all buy yachts?

[The Brain]

Why would you buy a yacht?

[Syt]

Hey, remember that Google searches graphic?



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57487868

Spanish man jailed for killing and eating his mother

A Spanish man has been sentenced to 15 years in prison after killing his mother and eating her remains.

Alberto Sánchez Gómez, 28, was arrested in 2019 after police found body parts around his mother's home - some in plastic containers.

The court rejected Sánchez's arguments that he was experiencing a psychotic episode at the time of the killing.

He will now serve 15 years for murder and a further five months for the desecration of a corpse.

He has also been ordered to pay his brother €60,000 ($73,000, £52,000) in compensation.

Police arrived at the home in eastern Madrid in February 2019 after a friend raised concerns about the welfare of María Soledad Gómez, who was in her 60s.

During the trial, the court heard that Sánchez, then aged 26, had strangled his mother during a dispute.

He then dismembered and ate parts of her body over the following two weeks, feeding some to his dog.

Spanish media say he had been known to police because of violence against his mother and that he had breached a restraining order at the time of his arrest.