The Off Topic Topic

[Josquius]

I can understand not giving automatic jus soli. Don't want to encourage anchor babies and all that sort of thing.
But if the parents are legally resident in a country and the kid spends a decent chunk of his childhood there then there should be no question.

[The Brain]

Yeah, there's that too.
You don't actually get Swiss citizenship when you nationalise. Rather you get citizenship of your municipality- which happens to carry the canton and thus Switzerland with it.
As I've posted before lots of the citizenship questions tend to be on super local stuff. A German guy I know was quizzed on what was written on the back of the village clock....

Made in Bangladesh?

[Duque de Bragança]

Well, Switzerland is a bit more hardcore. IIRC some cantons have public municipal votes on awarding citizenship to people?

Didn't some woman get rejected because she was an animal rights activist who complained about cowbells or something?

Cowbell is a Swiss national symbol, she should have known better. 

[garbon]

The concept of not being a citizen of the country you were born in does sound strange to me, but apart from that, I think countries should have wide latitude on deciding how one joins the club (obviously unconscionable discrimination aside).  If you moved to the country as an immigrant, you knew the rules and chose to accept them.  The new club members will get to decide how the club is run, so it's reasonable for the existing club members to have a say without moral recriminations on how one goes about joining the ranks.

As an immigrant, I'm not sure I would agree. While in theory everything should be clear, it has been my experience that the actual terms and conditions can be quite byzantine. Like how I knew I was on a subpar visa with my ex-employer that meant if I wanted to stay with them after 5 years, I had to leave the UK for one full year, I wasn't aware that my backup of having another employer hire me, was a non-starter.

Immigration is definitely a place where it is important to pay for an immigration lawyer.

[Josquius]

Despite the claims of certain segments of the British press of course the UK stands out as one of the toughest countries in the world for immigration. Much moreso than Switzerland if you just want to live there.
Immigration and citizenship difficulty tend not to be in sync I find.

[FunkMonk]

Here I am on vacation eating cherries and drinking wine while rereading Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction with the Euros on the TV and pretty sure this is goal of life.

[Sheilbh]

Really interesting Twitter thread by an art crime professor. The opening Tweet:

Erin L. Thompson
@artcrimeprof
For the past year, I've been investigating an auction house that's make millions selling thousands of likely looted or forged undocumented antiquities. They're so shady it's hard to know where to start. The time they faked a shipwreck? The past fraud conviction of the owner?

https://twitter.com/artcrimeprof/status/1404444172849881101

[The Brain]

They should have engineered an actual shipwreck? OK Nutty Professor.

[Eddie Teach]

The concept of not being a citizen of the country you were born in does sound strange to me, but apart from that, I think countries should have wide latitude on deciding how one joins the club (obviously unconscionable discrimination aside).  If you moved to the country as an immigrant, you knew the rules and chose to accept them.  The new club members will get to decide how the club is run, so it's reasonable for the existing club members to have a say without moral recriminations on how one goes about joining the ranks.

As an immigrant, I'm not sure I would agree. While in theory everything should be clear, it has been my experience that the actual terms and conditions can be quite byzantine. Like how I knew I was on a subpar visa with my ex-employer that meant if I wanted to stay with them after 5 years, I had to leave the UK for one full year, I wasn't aware that my backup of having another employer hire me, was a non-starter.

Immigration is definitely a place where it is important to pay for an immigration lawyer.

You leaving us, G?

[garbon]

Perhaps that was too strong a term. I'm just a migrant

[The Brain]

Perhaps that was too strong a term. I'm just a migrant

You pass, like night, from land to land?

[Grey Fox]

Perhaps that was too strong a term. I'm just a migrant

You can stay after right? Just can't work?

[garbon]

Perhaps that was too strong a term. I'm just a migrant

You pass, like night, from land to land?

Who you calling ancient?

[garbon]

Perhaps that was too strong a term. I'm just a migrant

You can stay after right? Just can't work?

My circumstances have changed, but no, on that visa type, you are out for a year's cooling off period.

[Josquius]

I don't think the UK has visas where you can stay but not work.
Well, except for asylum seekers.