The Off Topic Topic

[The Larch]

I thought that theory of wolf pack organisation was bollocks and based off observation of captive wolves where they threw a bunch of unrelated creatures into a pen. Basically the same as deciding how human behaviour works based off prison.

Yes, in fact the researcher that popularized that view later disavowed it.

In the past, the prevailing view on gray wolf packs was that they consisted of individuals vying with each other for dominance, with dominant gray wolves being referred to as the "alpha" male and female, and the subordinates as "beta" and "omega" wolves. This terminology was first used in 1947 by Rudolf Schenkel of the University of Basel, who based his findings on researching the behavior of captive gray wolves. This view on gray wolf pack dynamics was later popularized by the researcher L. David Mech in his 1970 book The Wolf. He later found additional evidence that the concept of an Alpha male may have been an interpretation of incomplete data and formally disavowed this terminology in 1999. He explained that it was heavily based on the behavior of captive packs consisting of unrelated individuals, an error reflecting the once prevailing view that wild pack formation occurred in winter among independent gray wolves. Later research on wild gray wolves revealed that the pack is usually a family consisting of a breeding pair and their offspring of the previous 1–3 years. In the article, Mech wrote that the use of the term "alpha" to describe the breeding pair adds no additional information, and is "no more appropriate than referring to a human parent or a doe deer as an alpha." He further notes the terminology falsely implies a "force-based dominance hierarchy." In 13 years of summer observations of wild wolves, he witnessed no dominance contests between them

[Tamas]

I thought that theory of wolf pack organisation was bollocks and based off observation of captive wolves where they threw a bunch of unrelated creatures into a pen. Basically the same as deciding how human behaviour works based off prison.

Yes, in fact the researcher that popularized that view later disavowed it.

In the past, the prevailing view on gray wolf packs was that they consisted of individuals vying with each other for dominance, with dominant gray wolves being referred to as the "alpha" male and female, and the subordinates as "beta" and "omega" wolves. This terminology was first used in 1947 by Rudolf Schenkel of the University of Basel, who based his findings on researching the behavior of captive gray wolves. This view on gray wolf pack dynamics was later popularized by the researcher L. David Mech in his 1970 book The Wolf. He later found additional evidence that the concept of an Alpha male may have been an interpretation of incomplete data and formally disavowed this terminology in 1999. He explained that it was heavily based on the behavior of captive packs consisting of unrelated individuals, an error reflecting the once prevailing view that wild pack formation occurred in winter among independent gray wolves. Later research on wild gray wolves revealed that the pack is usually a family consisting of a breeding pair and their offspring of the previous 1–3 years. In the article, Mech wrote that the use of the term "alpha" to describe the breeding pair adds no additional information, and is "no more appropriate than referring to a human parent or a doe deer as an alpha." He further notes the terminology falsely implies a "force-based dominance hierarchy." In 13 years of summer observations of wild wolves, he witnessed no dominance contests between them

It is sweet how we reassess terminology and analysis of wolfpack social dynamics based on the prevailing human cultural dynamics of the time.

[Eddie Teach]

Or just further research...

[grumbler]

Or just further research...

It's easier for some people to credit changes in scientific conclusions to changes in the people drawing the conclusions than it is to changes in the evidence.  That's one of the major curses of our time.  Climate change deniers depend on that mentality.

[Malthus]

On the basis of new research, the wolf-kink community should forget about that Alpha-dominance stuff, reassess their organization and re-arrange themselves into packs consisting of breeding pairs and their offspring of the past 1-3 years ... 

[Syt]

"Mother Russia"

[celedhring]

 

Can he beat a kid in a Panther?

[DGuller]

Why wouldn't you make the kid sit in the turret rather than the engine bay?  That might even let you put the turret in its proper place.

[The Brain]

Why wouldn't you make the kid sit in the turret rather than the engine bay?

Something tells me you're not a parent.

[celedhring]

Why wouldn't you make the kid sit in the turret rather than the engine bay?  That might even let you put the turret in its proper place.

This is a chassis on top of a pram, so you're limited by that. if the kid sits too forward the mother wouldn't be able to push it, plus the kid's too short for the turret.

[DGuller]

  Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who gives a damn about historical accuracy of tank strollers.

[Admiral Yi]

How do you expect to squeeze that melon head through that little tiny commander's hatch?

[DGuller]

How do you expect to squeeze that melon head through that little tiny commander's hatch?

Obviously the turret would have no top, just like the engine bay doesn't have a cover currently.  He's not exactly squeezing his melon head through the ventilation slits, is he?

[The Larch]

Can he beat a kid in a Panther?

Maybe with 4 or 5 other kindergarten friends, but not on his own. 

[Duque de Bragança]

Can he beat a kid in a Panther?

No, but he can certainly crush a peasant kid rebellion in Tambov.