The Off Topic Topic

[Barrister]

Mark E Smith has died

I understand he's gone quite nutters in his old age, but I really liked The Fall's stuff from the 1980s.  Too bad.

[Camerus]

She did come across as a moronic ideologue in that interview, but seems mostly much ado about nothing. 

[Razgovory]

Never heard of her, but apparently this is a culture war thing.  Yay.

Breitbart is mad at her.

[Barrister]

She did come across as a moronic ideologue in that interview, but seems mostly much ado about nothing.

Interesting article in The Atlantic about that interview (and the author Friedersdorf is no right-winger).

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/

[mongers]

Never heard of her, but apparently this is a culture war thing.  Yay.

Breitbart is mad at her.

In a way I'm glade Breitbart exists*, it keeps those keyboard-nutters off the streets and out of jackboots.


* a not entirely serious post, as I know the argument could be made that it encourages them and normalised their extremist views.

[Admiral Yi]

Interesting article in The Atlantic about that interview (and the author Friedersdorf is no right-winger).

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/

I sat through about 10 minutes of the embedded interview video waiting for dumbassery to arise.  I cant' figure out why anyone is talking about this.

[Eddie Teach]

In a way I'm glade Breitbart exists*,

Gives Raz something to do. 

[mongers]

Interesting article in The Atlantic about that interview (and the author Friedersdorf is no right-winger).

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/

I sat through about 10 minutes of the embedded interview video waiting for dumbassery to arise.  I cant' figure out why anyone is talking about this.

Yeah, it was quite a good natured interview and the guy seemed to be enjoying the confrontational approach of interviewer.

[Barrister]

Interesting article in The Atlantic about that interview (and the author Friedersdorf is no right-winger).

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/

I sat through about 10 minutes of the embedded interview video waiting for dumbassery to arise.  I cant' figure out why anyone is talking about this.

I didn't want the interview, but did read the article - which makes it seem like the interviewer was doing quite the hatch job.

Maybe you guys aren't familiar with Peterson, but he's a minor rabble-rouser here in Canada for being politically incorrect on any number of topics (biggest one that came up was his insistence not to use made-up pronouns).

[Jacob]

I suppose the question also is what the bar was to constitute an official language back then and in whose eyes.

Pretty sure the "official language" was whatever was used by imperial officials to conduct business and that was that.

Factoid: after the war, the Chinese communist leadership had a vote what to make the national language - Mandarin won, but Sichuan dialect came in second.

[Admiral Yi]

I didn't want the interview, but did read the article - which makes it seem like the interviewer was doing quite the hatch job.

Maybe you guys aren't familiar with Peterson, but he's a minor rabble-rouser here in Canada for being politically incorrect on any number of topics (biggest one that came up was his insistence not to use made-up pronouns).

The article was commentary on the interview, so I went to the SOURCE MATERIAL.  And disagreed with the commentary.  At least for the first 10 minutes or so.

[Camerus]

Interesting article in The Atlantic about that interview (and the author Friedersdorf is no right-winger).

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/

I sat through about 10 minutes of the embedded interview video waiting for dumbassery to arise.  I cant' figure out why anyone is talking about this.

The dumbassery is that she repeatedly mischaracterizes what Peterson is saying - even when stated as plain as day - so as to accord with her own ideological assumptions.

But still a tempest in a teapot.

[Camerus]

I suppose the question also is what the bar was to constitute an official language back then and in whose eyes.

Pretty sure the "official language" was whatever was used by imperial officials to conduct business and that was that.

Well, the point is that there's more ways to unpack and delve into that statement, but yeah, I broadly agree.

[grumbler]

I didn't want the interview, but did read the article - which makes it seem like the interviewer was doing quite the hatch job.

Maybe you guys aren't familiar with Peterson, but he's a minor rabble-rouser here in Canada for being politically incorrect on any number of topics (biggest one that came up was his insistence not to use made-up pronouns).

You should watch the interview.  He's actually very good, and so is she.  Yes, she's trying to provoke him a bit, and he recognizes that and applauds her for it.  He says that he had never been in trouble for not calling a trans person by their preferred gender, because he doesn't object to that.  He objects to being forced to do it by the law.  He claims that freedom of speech must include the freedom to offend others, and notes that she is using her freedom of speech in disregard of the chance that she will offend him.  It takes her a while to recover from that, because she recognizes that this is true.

It's a sparring match, and, while she tried very hard to get him to say something dumb, he resists.  He seems to be enjoying it and, I suspect, so is she.

[jimmy olsen]

I suppose the question also is what the bar was to constitute an official language back then and in whose eyes.

Pretty sure the "official language" was whatever was used by imperial officials to conduct business and that was that.

Factoid: after the war, the Chinese communist leadership had a vote what to make the national language - Mandarin won, but Sichuan dialect came in second.

Reminds me of the old adage, "A language is a dialect with an army and navy"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_language_is_a_dialect_with_an_army_and_navy