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[Josquius]

Suet work is bold/difficult.

For some reason I always though Americans didn't like meat + pastry.

Americans like meat and anything. 

Yeah - weird I always thought Americans took the piss out of Brits having meat pies

Pasties are one of my all-time favorite meals. I make a myriad different versions of them. Hence my new-found interest in the clanger.

I love all pasties 

In my experience Americans think pie they only think of sweet and this leads to weird associations of sugary gravy in their minds.

[Eddie Teach]

We eat pot pies occasionally.

[The Brain]

We eat pot pies occasionally.

OK FB.

[Grey Fox]

Suet work is bold/difficult.

For some reason I always though Americans didn't like meat + pastry.

Americans like meat and anything. 

Yeah - weird I always thought Americans took the piss out of Brits having meat pies

Pasties are one of my all-time favorite meals. I make a myriad different versions of them. Hence my new-found interest in the clanger.

I love all pasties 

In my experience Americans think pie they only think of sweet and this leads to weird associations of sugary gravy in their minds.

I don't know about Americans but to me it is, especially in the translated words. To me a pie is a sweet, a paté is savory.

[frunk]

Yeah - weird I always thought Americans took the piss out of Brits having meat pies

We like all sorts of meat in pastries, we just don't call it meat pies.  It's a nomenclature issue rather than culinary.

[Admiral Yi]

I think American are more attuned to meat in a pastry when it leans away from pie and more toward a baked sandwich.  A Hot Pocket is more sandwich-ish than pie-ish.  So is a calzone.

[FunkMonk]

Hot Pockets are America's greatest gift to the world.

[merithyn]

Yeah - weird I always thought Americans took the piss out of Brits having meat pies

We like all sorts of meat in pastries, we just don't call it meat pies.  It's a nomenclature issue rather than culinary.

[Sheilbh]

Farewell then, John Sentamu - probably my favourite national cleric since Cardinal Hume

Beaten in Uganda, abused in the UK: John Sentamu's long struggle against injustice
The Observer


Sentamu in York Minster - his appointment was the first time the Church of England had a black archbishop. Photograph: Lynne Cameron/PA

As Britain's first black archbishop preaches his final sermon, the Church of England's former head of communication reflects on a remarkable career
Arun Arora
Sun 7 Jun 2020 08.00 BST

John Sentamu tells the story of walking in to lead an assembly at a primary school in London when he was Bishop of Stepney: "As I entered the school hall, a child from the nursery class, who had never seen a bishop wearing a cope and mitre, piped up and said, 'Is that God?' His near neighbour angrily replied, 'No, it's Desmond Tutu!'

Today, the Church of England loses one of its most powerful, prophetic and joyous voices as Archbishop John Sentamu, the 97th Archbishop of York, retires on the week of his 71st birthday after 15 years as the C of E's second in command. The journey from Uganda to York, via Cambridge, London and Birmingham, has been marked by an extraordinary contribution to the life and faith of both church and nation.

In the midst of national debates on racism, inequality and brutality, few in the establishment can claim to have the experience of standing up to injustice and paying the price in the way Sentamu has done. As a high court judge in Uganda and opponent of the regime of Idi Amin, Sentamu refused to overlook the crimes of one of Amin's family. Defying an order to deliver a not guilty verdict, he was arrested, and badly beaten in a prison cell, subsequently describing the experience as "being kicked around like human football". He suffered severe internal injuries and received the last rites from Keith Sutton, an English priest and later Bishop of Lichfield, who arranged to smuggle Sentamu and his wife, Margaret, out of Uganda upon his release from prison in 1973.

As an archbishop, Sentamu's priorities have included the renewal of discipleship in the church, advocacy for the poor and the need for a living wage, investment in young people and equipping the church to rediscover its confidence in talking about Jesus. Combined with this have been public acts which have sought to draw attention to injustice and highlight its remedies.

In church terms, Sentamu has been a moderniser whose relationship with the institution he has served so faithfully has not always been easy. In Birmingham, he reviewed staffing, clergy numbers and finances across the diocese, as well as streamlining both the diocesan administration and reducing the plethora of committees and councils that served the church. Whileother bishops were praised for similar acts, Sentamu was criticised by some "for behaving like an African chief", revealing the racism with which he has had to contend.

Sentamu's appointment to York - described by one broadsheet at the time as "political correctness gone gloriously sane" - gave a neat nod to the fact that, for the first time in its history, the Church of England would have a black archbishop. Sentamu played the race element down, responding to one journalist that "first I am a Christian, second I am a man, third I am black".

Yet as an adviser to the Macpherson Inquiry into the death of Stephen Lawrence and as chairman of the inquiry into the investigation into the murder of Damilola Taylor, Sentamu brought with him an intimate knowledge of the impacts of institutional racism underwritten by his own personal experience. During his time in London, he was stopped and searched by the police eight times. There were other incidents, too: "There was a lady who didn't want me to take her husband's funeral because I was black... We received letters with excrement in."

But it is Sentamu's strengths as an evangelist and his easy ability to connect with people that have propelled him through the hierarchy. A close attention to where he believes his faith is leading him, enabled through daily prayer, has led Sentamu to acts of public symbolism, most famously cutting up his dog collar live on air to highlight the abuses being carried out by the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe. He also set up a tent for a week in York Minster in order to fast and pray for peace in the Middle East.

As archbishop, he has gathered bishops from across the north to go out together on missions to towns and cities where Sentamu would engage with anyone from shoppers to schoolchildren to talk about God. Over the past five years Sentamu's Northern Bishops' Missions have taken place in Sheffield, Blackburn, Durham, Cumbria, Newcastle, Liverpool and Nottingham, with the final mission in York in March, just before the lockdown.

Two years after his appointment as archbishop, Sentamu led a mission to Oxford University. Standing in the Sheldonian theatre, he recalled the words of a former archbishop, Michael Ramsey, who during his own mission to Oxford in 1960 spoke of the missionary century that saw the spread of Christian faith in Africa and Asia and compared it to the spiritual decay in England. Ramsey ended his address by saying: "I should love to think of a black Archbishop of York holding a mission here and telling a future generation of the scandal and the glory of the church."

There is little doubt that, even in his retirement, until his last breath, Sentamu will continue to advocate for the voiceless, speak out against injustice and tell of the glories of the Lord.

Rev Arun Arora is the C of E's former director of communications and currently vicar of St Nicholas's Church, Co Durham

Born: John Tucker Mugabi Sentamu, 10 June 1949, near Kampala, Uganda.

Family: The sixth of 13 children. Married in 1973, he and his wife Margaret have a daughter and a son.

Education: Read theology up to PhD level at Selwyn College, Cambridge.

Career: Practised law in the High Court of Uganda before fleeing to Britain in 1974 due to persecution under Idi Amin's regime. Studied theology at Cambridge and was ordained in 1979. Rose through the Church of England, serving in parishes in Cambridge and London. Appointed Bishop of Stepney in 1996. Advised on the Stephen Lawrence inquiry and chaired the Damilola Taylor review in 2002. Before being appointed Archbishop of York in 2005, he had been Bishop of Birmingham since 2002.

Interests: Enjoys music, cooking, reading, athletics, rugby and football.

Found him retiring his crozier kind of lovely - and a useful reminder that English Cathedrals still have cracking choirs:
https://twitter.com/York_Minster/status/1269691300095328257?s=20

[The Brain]

Sentamu in York Minster

I never thought I'd see church-themed Tierra del Fuego gay porn, but here we are.

[Eddie Teach]

So he was a high court judge at the ripe old age of 24?

[Sheilbh]

So he was a high court judge at the ripe old age of 24?

I think that's wrong - I think he was an advocate in Uganda.

[Liep]

What is the opposite of update when referring to software versions? Like having to go back from 3.0 to 2.0.

[Syt]

Downgrade?

[Grey Fox]

Downgrade?

That's term I use @ work.