The Off Topic Topic

[Eddie Teach]

Better yet, let it run its course.

[11B4V]

Its not 1967 anymore.
Israel as the underdog is a very outdated POV.

Underdog or overdog doesn't matter.  They have to fuck up just once, have just one moment of apparent weakness, and it can be game over all the people living there.  Israel can win 100 wars, but it won't matter if it catastrophically loses 101st, and there would not be 102nd.

Pretty much sums it up.

[Capetan Mihali]

Minsky and Malthus:  I assume you were both strong supporters of America's "constructive engagement" with South Africa in the 1980s?  After all, at least 120 black jobs could have been lost if we took opposed apartheid.

Those Montgomery bus boycott people should have thought about all the poor black bus drivers they were putting out of work too, come to think of it.

[Capetan Mihali]

Its not 1967 anymore.
Israel as the underdog is a very outdated POV.

Underdog or overdog doesn't matter.  They have to fuck up just once, have just one moment of apparent weakness, and it can be game over all the people living there.  Israel can win 100 wars, but it won't matter if it catastrophically loses 101st, and there would not be 102nd.

Completely right. Conversely, the Arabs can afford to lose countless numbers of wars. They will always have another chance.

Let Israel lose a war.  What is the intrinsic problem with that?

[Tonitrus]

Its not 1967 anymore.
Israel as the underdog is a very outdated POV.

Underdog or overdog doesn't matter.  They have to fuck up just once, have just one moment of apparent weakness, and it can be game over all the people living there.  Israel can win 100 wars, but it won't matter if it catastrophically loses 101st, and there would not be 102nd.

Completely right. Conversely, the Arabs can afford to lose countless numbers of wars. They will always have another chance.

Let Israel lose a war.  What is the intrinsic problem with that?

Holocaust 2: Arabic Boogaloo

[jimmy olsen]

Its not 1967 anymore.
Israel as the underdog is a very outdated POV.

Underdog or overdog doesn't matter.  They have to fuck up just once, have just one moment of apparent weakness, and it can be game over all the people living there.  Israel can win 100 wars, but it won't matter if it catastrophically loses 101st, and there would not be 102nd.

Completely right. Conversely, the Arabs can afford to lose countless numbers of wars. They will always have another chance.

Let Israel lose a war.  What is the intrinsic problem with that?

Are you fucking serious?

You should be forced to watch Schindler's List, clockwork orange style for a year.

[Duque de Bragança]

But some of the posts are just too provocative and I'm weak, so I can't help responding.  I'll try to drop it.  I'll note that my commemoration of Norway's constitutional independence hasn't seemed to attract the same onslaught.

All right. Judging by the yet not so fresh from the boat imported Green (Khmer) nutcase from Norway (Eva Joly) advocating a national holiday in French politics à la Norway instead of the July 14th we all know in France, I'm not too keen on celebrating a PC national holiday. 
But then, French Greens are a disgrace in general.

PS: I must say i like the way colonies were redefined ad hoc earlier in the thread.

Thank you, Duque.   I sure was hoping that inflammatory, trolling commemoration of Norwegian Constitution Day that I posted in obvious bad faith would provoke the same kind of heated reaction.

The more I listen to Norwegian-inspired nonsense such as "let's have a PC national day", the more I understand why we get people like Anders Breivik-Behring.

[Capetan Mihali]

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Are you fucking serious?

You should be forced to watch Schindler's List, clockwork orange style for a year.

They want to have a nuclear-armed nation-state funded by the US to the tune of $3 billion dollars a year, they can deal with consequences.  Why should a special exception be made for this particular ethno-nationalist state just because the inhabitant are Jewish?

Some Spielberg crap is very unlikely to influence my viewpoint, considering I have actual relatives who were murdered in the Holocaust, a grandmother who vetoed my doing an exchange program in Germany because she was a young (American) lady during the Nazi era, and have studied the Nazi state apparatus, including the Final Solution, somewhat extensively.

The Holocaust, enacted by Germany (and to a small extent its allies and conquered countries), was clearly an incomparable tragedy.  But there never should have been a Jewish State forcibly brought into existence on a land where Arabs made up the vast majority in the first place, and I eagerly await the end of Israel qua Israel.  Meanwhile, more and more settlements are constructed in the West Bank, with the full endorsement of the Israeli government and the expensive protection of the IDF.  I do wonder how many US dollars fund the "protection" of a given settlement...

[Admiral Yi]

Would the mass slaughter of Israelis be a reasonable price to pay for the elimination of the Israeli state?

[Capetan Mihali]

What relevance does that question have?

EDIT:  And/or has the mass slaughter of Palestinians been a reasonable price to pay to maintain Israel as such today?  Because, you know, that's not a hypothetical.

[Josquius]

Broadsheet newspapers - why?
So awkward to read.

[Admiral Yi]

What relevance does that question have?

EDIT:  And/or has the mass slaughter of Palestinians been a reasonable price to pay to maintain Israel as such today?  Because, you know, that's not a hypothetical.

The relevance of that question lies in its relation to a military defeat of Israel which results in the elimination of the state of Israel.

[Capetan Mihali]

What relevance does that question have?

EDIT:  And/or has the mass slaughter of Palestinians been a reasonable price to pay to maintain Israel as such today?  Because, you know, that's not a hypothetical.

The relevance of that question lies in its relation to a military defeat of Israel which results in the elimination of the state of Israel.

A truly democratic state that represents Jews and Arabs (i.e. not Israel qua Israel) wouldn't be the result of an Israeli defeat.

And how about the second question?

[garbon]

Apropos of nothing.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/theres-an-instagram-account-devoted-to-hot-israeli-men-eatin

There's An Instagram Account Devoted To Hot Israeli Men Eating Hummus

[jimmy olsen]

What relevance does that question have?

EDIT:  And/or has the mass slaughter of Palestinians been a reasonable price to pay to maintain Israel as such today?  Because, you know, that's not a hypothetical.

The relevance of that question lies in its relation to a military defeat of Israel which results in the elimination of the state of Israel.

A truly democratic state that represents Jews and Arabs (i.e. not Israel qua Israel) wouldn't be the result of an Israeli defeat.

Yes, you're right.

That wouldn't be the result of a Jewish defeat. The murder of millions would be.