Dutch Muslim Students Resist Holocaust Education

[KRonn]

"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

Classic!   

[Admiral Yi]

The civil rights/gay rights parallel is painfully bad.

It's infinitely better than the Muslims/Holocaust one.

[derspiess]

I once went through a phase where I didn't eat pork. 

What were you punishing yourself for? 

I was only eating chicken and fish (plus the occasional lean steak).  Happened to be one of the healthiest phases of my life, now that I think of it

[Malthus]

I dunno.
Christians have always tended to treat Jews better than Pagans.
They were still scum but not quite of the kill them on sight variety. Usually.

I dunno about that. Jew-hatred runs pretty deep and consistent in Christian civilization.

Not sure pagan-hatred can compare - Christians were as likely to try to convert them, as to kill them.

Jews were notoriously resistant to conversion and so subject to the "kill" option, or 'merely' to forced exile (Spain, England) or to internal exile in 'ghettos' (a term coined for Jews!) - subject always to the occasional pogrom, and culminating in the Holocaust.

[Admiral Yi]

Technically speaking, the term ghetto was not coined for Jews.

[Malthus]

Technically speaking, the term ghetto was not coined for Jews.

?

[crazy canuck]

The more significant issue is that having similarities does not necessarily breed empathy.

Religious Jews, Muslims and Christians all know they share the same god, but historically it hasn't made them empatize with each other much, exactly - other than that Muslim "people of the book" thing, by which Muslims agree to not kill Jews & Christians who agree to take second-class status.  Not sure sharing food and circumcision rituals would do more for inter-communial empathy than sharing a god.

I dunno.
Christians have always tended to treat Jews better than Pagans.
They were still scum but not quite of the kill them on sight variety. Usually.

Paul's teachings were in large part about adapting Christianity to be more saleable to the Pagans so that they could be more easily converted.

[Admiral Yi]

?

When Jews were granted the right to reside in Venice, they settled near an abandoned ironworks.  Ghetto is Italian for ironworks.

So the word was not coined for Jews.  It already existed.

[The Brain]

If you don't have discipline in school every little thing becomes a major problem. If students who disrupt classes were punished then this problem would go away.

[Malthus]

?

When Jews were granted the right to reside in Venice, they settled near an abandoned ironworks.  Ghetto is Italian for ironworks.

So the word was not coined for Jews.  It already existed.

Not what I read.

I read that the word *may* have derived from a number of possible sources - in fact, no-one knows for sure.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ghetto

1610s, "part of a city in which Jews are compelled to live," especially in Italy, from Italian ghetto "part of a city to which Jews are restricted," of unknown origin. The various theories trace it to: Yiddish get "deed of separation;" a special use of Venetian getto "foundry" (there was one near the site of that city's ghetto in 1516); a clipped form of Egitto "Egypt," from Latin Aegyptus (presumably in memory of the exile); or Italian borghetto "small section of a town" (diminutive of borgo, which is of Germanic origin; see borough)

[grumbler]

  I was just speaking of this yesterday with a Jewish holocaust survivor and a Muslim refugee from Yemen. 

Were both of them circumcised?

They both believed that they were.  BTW, is Obama circumcised?

[grumbler]

"Some of my best friends are Jews and Yemeni Muslims" 

Then you'd know what circumcision was and what kosher and halal meant.  I think you are pulling this shit outta your ass.

[grumbler]

I'm sure this wasn't the case when grumbler sailed over on the Mayflower, but it's actually quite common for Americans of non-Jewish, non-Muslim descent to be circumcised. It's neither a source of shared identity nor something one thinks about every time they piss.

Key word in bold.  We aren't talking about Americans in the Netherlands. 

[Ancient Demon]

If you don't have discipline in school every little thing becomes a major problem. If students who disrupt classes were punished then this problem would go away.

I think it has more to do with the ethnicity and religion of the children than school discipline in general. I'd find it hard to believe that white Nazi kids could get away with the same type of thing.

[grumbler]

The civil rights/gay rights parallel is painfully bad.

It's infinitely better than the Muslims/Holocaust one.

really?  You think that gays are more like blacks than antisemitism is like anti-islamism (yeah, technically anti-islamism is largely antisemitic as well so long as the Muslims are Arabs, but I don't think anyone uses antisemitic that way)? 

I disagree.