Dutch Muslim Students Resist Holocaust Education

[grumbler]

Okay, Tim.  You go to the Netherlands and tell these muslim students how they're a lot like Jews.  Just make sure we have your dental records beforehand.

Holy deliberately misunderstanding an argument, Batman!

Besides, I don't think anyone needs to tell a Muslim how much like Jews they are, especially Muslim men.  They are reminded every time they take a piss or make a meal.

[Valmy]

Well punish the "some pupils." I don't recall having right in school to disrupt class / say bigoted things.

Yep.

[Caliga]

He just hasn't met the right girl his sole mate.

FTFY

[Martinus]

Okay, Tim.  You go to the Netherlands and tell these muslim students how they're a lot like Jews.  Just make sure we have your dental records beforehand.

Holy deliberately misunderstanding an argument, Batman!

Besides, I don't think anyone needs to tell a Muslim how much like Jews they are, especially Muslim men.  They are reminded every time they take a piss or make a meal.

We could also introduce them to Siege.

[derspiess]

Besides, I don't think anyone needs to tell a Muslim how much like Jews they are, especially Muslim men.  They are reminded every time they take a piss or make a meal.

How do you know that?

[grumbler]

Besides, I don't think anyone needs to tell a Muslim how much like Jews they are, especially Muslim men.  They are reminded every time they take a piss or make a meal.

How do you know that?

Have someone explain "kosher/halal" and "circumcision" to you, then you will understand how I know.

[derspiess]

I think that's your other-ization of Jews and Mooselimbs talking, g.

[grumbler]

I think that's your other-ization of Jews and Mooselimbs talking, g.

  I was just speaking of this yesterday with a Jewish holocaust survivor and a Muslim refugee from Yemen.  I think you are projecting; both of the features I mentioned are actual features of those religions, not some generalized 'other" with which you seem to brand Jews and Muslims (and who knows who else).

But, please, continue with your bogus psychobabble.  it makes a refreshing change from the bullshit political babble.

[DGuller]

  I was just speaking of this yesterday with a Jewish holocaust survivor and a Muslim refugee from Yemen. 

Were both of them circumcised?

[derspiess]

I think that's your other-ization of Jews and Mooselimbs talking, g.

  I was just speaking of this yesterday with a Jewish holocaust survivor and a Muslim refugee from Yemen.  I think you are projecting; both of the features I mentioned are actual features of those religions, not some generalized 'other" with which you seem to brand Jews and Muslims (and who knows who else).

But, please, continue with your bogus psychobabble.  it makes a refreshing change from the bullshit political babble.

"Some of my best friends are Jews and Yemeni Muslims" 

Keep digging, g.

[Eddie Teach]

I'm sure this wasn't the case when grumbler sailed over on the Mayflower, but it's actually quite common for Americans of non-Jewish, non-Muslim descent to be circumcised. It's neither a source of shared identity nor something one thinks about every time they piss.

[derspiess]

I am circumcised and once went through a phase where I didn't eat pork.  OMG I'M SO MUCH LIKE A JEWSLIM

[Malthus]

The more significant issue is that having similarities does not necessarily breed empathy.

Religious Jews, Muslims and Christians all know they share the same god, but historically it hasn't made them empatize with each other much, exactly - other than that Muslim "people of the book" thing, by which Muslims agree to not kill Jews & Christians who agree to take second-class status.  Not sure sharing food and circumcision rituals would do more for inter-communial empathy than sharing a god.

[Eddie Teach]

I once went through a phase where I didn't eat pork. 

What were you punishing yourself for? 

[Josquius]

The more significant issue is that having similarities does not necessarily breed empathy.

Religious Jews, Muslims and Christians all know they share the same god, but historically it hasn't made them empatize with each other much, exactly - other than that Muslim "people of the book" thing, by which Muslims agree to not kill Jews & Christians who agree to take second-class status.  Not sure sharing food and circumcision rituals would do more for inter-communial empathy than sharing a god.

I dunno.
Christians have always tended to treat Jews better than Pagans.
They were still scum but not quite of the kill them on sight variety. Usually.

I would think that one way to approach the matter would be to draw comparison between the way that Jews were stigmatized in prewar Europe and the way Muslims are currently.

This worked so well in the US when trying to get black people to support gay rights.

The civil rights/gay rights parallel is painfully bad.