How far right are you?

[Josquius]

Economics are very much secondary to the right-left thing. Hitler overall  was all about some people being inherently better than others, that has right wing written all over it, even if most right wingers don't go anywhere near such extremes of 'lets turn the inferior people into lampshades'.

[Habbaku]

The whole Stalin/Hitler fallacy comes from a failure to understand that there are three large political ideologies, not two - liberalism, collectivism and conservatism. Both Stalin and Hilter were collectivist (although Hitler also used elements of conservatism). Both were equidistant from liberalism.

More agreement with Martinus. This is troublesome.

[Razgovory]

The whole Stalin/Hitler fallacy comes from a failure to understand that there are three large political ideologies, not two - liberalism, collectivism and conservatism. Both Stalin and Hilter were collectivist (although Hitler also used elements of conservatism). Both were equidistant from liberalism.

What do you mean by conservatism?  Like class privilege, monarchy, church, etc?

I have no idea what's on about.  The underlying principle of rightist thought is the creation of or preservation of hierarchy.  The underlying principle of leftist thought is equality.  In Hitler's view, the hierarchy was based mostly on race.

[Eddie Teach]

Economics are very much secondary to the right-left thing.

Economics are the closest place the "right-left thing" comes to coherence.

[Razgovory]

The whole Stalin/Hitler fallacy comes from a failure to understand that there are three large political ideologies, not two - liberalism, collectivism and conservatism. Both Stalin and Hilter were collectivist (although Hitler also used elements of conservatism). Both were equidistant from liberalism.

More agreement with Martinus. This is troublesome.

That is troubling.  You need your head examined to see if something fell out.

[Admiral Yi]

Economics are very much secondary to the right-left thing. Hitler overall  was all about some people being inherently better than others, that has right wing written all over it, even if most right wingers don't go anywhere near such extremes of 'lets turn the inferior people into lampshades'.

Can you provide some more moderate examples of this attitude in modern-day politics?

[Valmy]

The underlying principle of rightist thought is the creation of or preservation of hierarchy.

Huh. Any right wingers want to comment on this? It can be true depending on the flavor of rightism but if somebody says they are rightwing I don't know if I immediately assume this is true.

The underlying principle of leftist thought is equality.

I think of it more like justice.

[Admiral Yi]

Huh. Any right wingers want to comment on this?

The only way it makes the remotest bit of sense to me is if you spin opposition to equality of outcome as preservation of hierarchy.

[Berkut]

Huh. Any right wingers want to comment on this?

The only way it makes the remotest bit of sense to me is if you spin opposition to equality of outcome as preservation of hierarchy.

...which would be, of course, idiotic.

Any "definition" that those who actually claim to hold to reject is a crappy definition, in general. And specifically as it regards to any attempt to actually have a discussion, it is definitely worse than useless.

[derspiess]

Huh. Any right wingers want to comment on this? It can be true depending on the flavor of rightism but if somebody says they are rightwing I don't know if I immediately assume this is true.

In terms of authoritarian rightism, I'd agree with Raz.  But not everyone on the right is authoritarian, at least not since Goldwater.

[Admiral Yi]

In terms of authoritarian rightism, I'd agree with Raz.  But not everyone on the right is authoritarian, at least not since Goldwater.

Not a concept I'm familiar with.  Please elaborate.

[MadImmortalMan]

Was Goldwater a rightist?

[Admiral Yi]

Was Goldwater a rightist?

He opposed the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act on the grounds it was an infringement on property rights.  That's about as far right as one can go IMO without being a loon.

[derspiess]

In terms of authoritarian rightism, I'd agree with Raz.  But not everyone on the right is authoritarian, at least not since Goldwater.

Not a concept I'm familiar with.  Please elaborate.

Thought this was something we were all pretty familiar with.  I find it a lot more useful than a simple left-right axis.

[The Brain]

LOL Libertarian Socialist.