Objectivisation of women - discrimination or men just being pigs?

Started by Martinus, January 28, 2015, 01:18:15 AM

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Caliga

#30
January 28, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2015, 02:37:33 PM
What?  A Peter North porn fan that hangs out at gas stations?   Why, I'd just as be completely shocked as you...THAT I DIDNT ALREADY HAVE A COCK IN MY MOUTH.
HE WAS ONLY GAY FOR PAY. :(
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Martinus

#31
January 28, 2015, 03:16:05 PM
I think you guys misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying all straight men are homophobic because they expect gay men to act towards them as they act towards women. I meant that men expect gay men to act towards them the way they act towards women - which makes some of the straight men homophobic since they themselves act shitty towards women. Thought I'd clarify before all of Languish states the obvious.

garbon

#32
January 28, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
To be honest, I thought your OP was a little confused and silly. :P
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Malthus

#33
January 28, 2015, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 28, 2015, 03:16:05 PM
I think you guys misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying all straight men are homophobic because they expect gay men to act towards them as they act towards women. I meant that men expect gay men to act towards them the way they act towards women - which makes some of the straight men homophobic since they themselves act shitty towards women. Thought I'd clarify before all of Languish states the obvious.

This assumes that men know that they act shitty towards women.
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Martinus

#34
January 28, 2015, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 28, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
To be honest, I thought your OP was a little confused and silly. :P

I think all threads that I start with no article to quote are that. :P

Caliga

#35
January 28, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 28, 2015, 03:16:05 PM
I think you guys misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying all straight men are homophobic because they expect gay men to act towards them as they act towards women. I meant that men expect gay men to act towards them the way they act towards women - which makes some of the straight men homophobic since they themselves act shitty towards women. Thought I'd clarify before all of Languish states the obvious.
:hmm: Are you saying that homophobic men are prone to sexually harassing women or something?  I'm confused Mart.
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Martinus

#36
January 28, 2015, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 28, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 28, 2015, 03:16:05 PM
I think you guys misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying all straight men are homophobic because they expect gay men to act towards them as they act towards women. I meant that men expect gay men to act towards them the way they act towards women - which makes some of the straight men homophobic since they themselves act shitty towards women. Thought I'd clarify before all of Languish states the obvious.
:hmm: Are you saying that homophobic men are prone to sexually harassing women or something?  I'm confused Mart.

Yes. So they essentially expect the type of behaviour from gay men as they themselves display towards women.

MadImmortalMan

#37
January 28, 2015, 04:10:50 PM
The behavior that most men have toward women is abject fear and avoidance.  ;)


But seriously, getting hit on by gay dudes is a complete non issue. There is a huge difference between a woman and a gay guy. They don't think in an even remotely similar way. Maybe some dudes don't realize that or something, I don't know.
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Razgovory

#38
January 28, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 28, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2015, 02:37:33 PM
What?  A Peter North porn fan that hangs out at gas stations?   Why, I'd just as be completely shocked as you...THAT I DIDNT ALREADY HAVE A COCK IN MY MOUTH.
HE WAS ONLY GAY FOR PAY. :(

The point is, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PERSON.
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Ideologue

#39
January 28, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 28, 2015, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 28, 2015, 08:27:29 AM
Yup. I think a lot of homophobia from straight men comes from the realisation that other dudes will be thinking about them in the same way they are thinking about chicks. :P
Why would that bother a secure hetero male?  I've said it before: I wish every man on the planet was gay besides me.  If a man is homophobic he's automatically suspect.

I have (on two occasions) had gay men come on to me, believe it or not (they must really have been into bears) and while I was completely shocked, I guess ultimately I was flattered.  I mean, it would have been nicer had they been hot chicks, but I still take it as a compliment.

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Ideologue

#40
January 28, 2015, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 28, 2015, 12:00:03 PM
In more university news...:(

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Martinus

#41
January 28, 2015, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 28, 2015, 04:10:50 PM
The behavior that most men have toward women is abject fear and avoidance.  ;)


But seriously, getting hit on by gay dudes is a complete non issue. There is a huge difference between a woman and a gay guy. They don't think in an even remotely similar way. Maybe some dudes don't realize that or something, I don't know.

No, I think the point is that a straight guy and a gay guy think in the same way. This in fact is my entire point in this thread. :P

Caliga

#42
January 28, 2015, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 28, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
The point is, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PERSON.
I'm not.  I'm just a fan of his work.  That doesn't mean I'm focused on him. :moon:
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Eddie Teach

#44
January 28, 2015, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 28, 2015, 01:30:52 PM
I think appropriateness is the main thing.  There are perfectly fine times to treat people like sex objects.  I get really annoyed when some woman is lecturing on nuclear physics, or whatever, and people comment on her appearance.  It just seems very rude. 

Well, as her words are incomprehensible, the mind wanders to more pleasant avenues...
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