Objectivisation of women - discrimination or men just being pigs?

[garbon]

On this article - the most disturbing part for me is that there is nothing about the assailant being sent to the Police. Sexual assault ends with expelling the student?

The forum has already had this discussion.  Someone using your account even participated.  The police only get involved when someone files a complaint.  If the guy in the story didn't go to the police, the most that can happen is the perp gets expelled.

Of course it could just be that they left all of that out of the story. We don't really know much of anything of what was done by say the "anonymous" victims.

Though at the same time, I still feel it unsettling that everyone knows about a possible crime but it doesn't matter as victims "handled" it with the university. Wonderful comfort that'll be for the next victims of that man. And then, of course, in the event that these were all false accusations, that man has his reputation destroyed with no recourse.

[garbon]

In more university news...

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Stanford-athlete-accused-of-raping-unconscious-6044286.php

Ex-Stanford swimmer accused of raping unconscious woman

A former Stanford University student and star swimmer will be charged with rape after he met a woman at a campus party and assaulted her as she lay intoxicated and unconscious outside, Santa Clara County prosecutors said Tuesday.

The district attorney's office said two students on bicycles stopped to help after finding freshman Brock Allen Turner, 19, on top of the woman in the early morning hours of Jan. 18 on Lomita Court, near fraternity houses on university grounds.

"She was lying on the ground unconscious, not moving," said Deputy District Attorney Alaleh Kianerci of the alleged victim, who is not a student.

The men on bikes restrained Turner, even as he tried to get away, and called police, Kianerci said. The woman, she said, was taken to a hospital and treated for her injuries.

"She's recovering," Kianerci said.

The district attorney's office said it will file five felony charges against Turner on Wednesday: one count of raping an unconscious person, one count of raping an intoxicated person, two counts of sexual penetration with a foreign object, and one count of assault while attempting to commit rape.

If convicted, Turner faces up to 10 years in prison, Kianerci said. He was arrested after the alleged attack and later posted $150,000 bail. He is scheduled to be arraigned Monday.

On Tuesday, as prosecutors announced their decision to charge him, Turner withdrew from school, university officials said. They said he's no longer allowed on campus.

"Matters like this the university takes seriously," said Lisa Lapin, a Stanford spokeswoman.

Efforts to reach Turner and his family were not immediately successful Tuesday.

The alleged rape comes as universities across the country face scrutiny for the prevalence of sexual assault on campus, with critics saying they don't do enough to stop it.

Last year, California became the first state to pass legislation that shifted the standard of consent for sexual activity at colleges from whether a person said no to whether both partners said yes. The "yes means yes" law applies only to campus disciplinary hearings, not to state criminal proceedings.

Stanford, which has been among the universities criticized for lax policies on sexual assault, has recently tried to do more to combat the problem, said Michele Landis Dauber, a law professor at the university who urged the school to make changes.

Between 1997 and 2009, just four of 175 reported sexual assaults were formally adjudicated at Stanford, with two of the alleged attackers held responsible, according to a report prepared by Dauber. She called the statistics "appalling."

The numbers have improved as the university made its reporting process more welcoming to victims and showed greater follow-through with investigations, she said. There's still room for improvement, though, she added.

Turner, who worked as a lifeguard, was a heavily recruited athlete before joining Stanford's high-powered swimming program, ranked 10th in the nation. He had been a dominant swimmer at Oakwood High School in Dayton, Ohio, twice winning the state championship in the 200- and 500-yard freestyle. He also took part in the 2012 U.S. Olympic trials.

While accurate the Ex-Stanford swimmer bit seems a misleading as it appears that he only left the university at some point in the last 2 weeks.

[Siege]

Can't tell you anything. The mafia will hunt me down and kill me.

Yay women. Women good. Men bad.

[Siege]

I will risk some honesty.

For me women are often sexual objects but they are also always people. The trick is to treat the people/person part as by far the more important of the two.

For the record I think the most annoyance I ever caused a woman were the times I failed to respond to sexual advances at parties, my failure to sexually objectify them due to getting carried away with my own bullshit was most offensive 

I was going to comment that you must have been very unsuccessful with women...

[Valmy]

It is often commented how women are treated as sexual objects in our society, with their looks, attire, sexual attractiveness etc. often being scrutinised more often than that of men, even in situations that entirely do not warrant such scrutiny.

I think appropriateness is the main thing.  There are perfectly fine times to treat people like sex objects.  I get really annoyed when some woman is lecturing on nuclear physics, or whatever, and people comment on her appearance.  It just seems very rude. 

As far the more scrutinized then men I don't get that part.  I think that is something different because other women (and heck lots of gay men) do this to.  Not sure what that is all about.  But it can get complicated.  Men have a very set uniform in our society and men who step out of bounds even a little bit with different sorts of clothes get scrutinized.  But again I think this is a different thing than the sexual objectification thing.

[Valmy]

Yup. I think a lot of homophobia from straight men comes from the realisation that other dudes will be thinking about them in the same way they are thinking about chicks.

Is there something horrid about the way I think about chicks?  'I want to have sex with that person' doesn't seem like that horrifying of a thought.

[Caliga]

Yup. I think a lot of homophobia from straight men comes from the realisation that other dudes will be thinking about them in the same way they are thinking about chicks.

Why would that bother a secure hetero male?  I've said it before: I wish every man on the planet was gay besides me.  If a man is homophobic he's automatically suspect.

I have (on two occasions) had gay men come on to me, believe it or not (they must really have been into bears) and while I was completely shocked, I guess ultimately I was flattered.  I mean, it would have been nicer had they been hot chicks, but I still take it as a compliment.

[Valmy]

Why would that bother a secure hetero male?  I've said it before: I wish every man on the planet was gay besides me.  If a man is homophobic he's automatically suspect.

Lesbians, on the other hand, filled me with rage.  Fortunately now I have no vested interest.

[Caliga]

Lesbians, on the other hand, filled me with rage.  Fortunately now I have no vested interest.

Rarely in my life have I looked at a lesbian and thought "It's too bad she's gay." 

[Martinus]

Someone using your account

[mongers]

I will risk some honesty.

For me women are often sexual objects but they are also always people. The trick is to treat the people/person part as by far the more important of the two.

For the record I think the most annoyance I ever caused a woman were the times I failed to respond to sexual advances at parties, my failure to sexually objectify them due to getting carried away with my own bullshit was most offensive 

This is me or my sociability in a nutshell. 

[Malthus]

Yup. I think a lot of homophobia from straight men comes from the realisation that other dudes will be thinking about them in the same way they are thinking about chicks.

Why would that bother a secure hetero male?  I've said it before: I wish every man on the planet was gay besides me.  If a man is homophobic he's automatically suspect.

I have (on two occasions) had gay men come on to me, believe it or not (they must really have been into bears) and while I was completely shocked, I guess ultimately I was flattered.  I mean, it would have been nicer had they been hot chicks, but I still take it as a compliment.

Sorry, Mr. Burns, but I don't go in for these backdoor shenanigans. Sure, I'm flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no!

[Caliga]

 

One was a co-worker but he wasn't my boss.  This was back when I was more of an IT helper monkey.  I was under his desk working on his wiring when he came in to his office, saw my ass (but not the rest of me) under his desk, and made an extremely inappropriate comment.

[CountDeMoney]

I have (on two occasions) had gay men come on to me, believe it or not (they must really have been into bears) and while I was completely shocked, I guess ultimately I was flattered.

What?  A Peter North porn fan that hangs out at gas stations?   Why, I'd just as be completely shocked as you...THAT I DIDNT ALREADY HAVE A COCK IN MY MOUTH.

[MadImmortalMan]

I can't imagine ever getting angry at a person simply for showing an interest in me. That's just asshole behavior.