European Islamophobia

[The Brain]

lol buttress

[Sheilbh]

Not at all.  He might have made someone feel uncomfortable.

So? I think you're tilting at a straw man here.

[Jacob]

Not at all.  He might have made someone feel uncomfortable.

So? I think you're tilting at a straw man here.

Sheilbh, I'd like you to meet derspiess. Derspiess, this is Sheilbh. You've both been posting for a while here on languish, so you might want to get to know one another.

[Viking]

In short, Catholics look to the OT for stuff like "thou shalt not kill", but not for stuff like "thou shalt not eat bacon", and they think "thiu shalt not fuck other men" falls into the first category.

The very point is that it is up to christians to find out which of those laws can safely be ignored and which cannot. The ability to that at all is the central difference between a religion of morals and a religion of laws.

For someone claiming to know a lot about Catholicism you are putting forth a position that is fundamentally and diametrically opposed to the teaching of the Church.  Catholic means universal.  To have a Universal church it needed to have a consistent interpretation of theological principles.  That is what the fight for what would be considered orthodox and unorthodox through the ages has been all about.

Your notion that a believer can simply decide for themselves is part of non Catholic theology.

the word "christians" refers to more than just Catholics, if you choose to follow the catholic "plate at the buffet" you are a catholic.

Yes, but you were just arguing about Catholics specifically.

It is true there are a wide range of Christian beliefs (just as there are a wide range of Islamic ones). I challenge you to find a single version of mainstream Christianity that thought homosexuality was morally acceptable prior to the 20th century. (For Islam, the answer would be "Sufism").

Don't pretend to read my mind, when I mean Catholics I'll use the word Catholic.

As for Rumi, I offer you the opportunity to show that his relationship was in the open and accepted by his peers. Else I call Bullshit.

[Jacob]

Don't pretend to read my mind, when I mean Catholics I'll use the word Catholic.

We're reading your posts. That's enough.

[Viking]

Don't pretend to read my mind, when I mean Catholics I'll use the word Catholic.

We're reading your posts. That's enough.

Obviously you fail at reading comprehension.

[Jacob]

Obviously you fail at reading comprehension.

Not a problem for you since you clearly don't read most of the posts you respond to.

[The Brain]

This is why I come to Languish.

[Razgovory]

Yes. Religions are ideas and should be treated as such. What you think about government spending or gun rights or the chinese plan for the nicaragua canal is subject to criticism and you are subject to mockery and ridicule for thinking the world is flat or thinking that vaccines cause autism.

Just to be sure, are you saying that religions and ideas should be treated the same?  For all intents and purposes Atheism is a secular religion?

The point is that all ideas - whether it is a religion, atheism or, say, vegetarianism, should be treated the same and be given the same kind of protection. That does not mean all of them are religions. 

Okay, so is acceptable to ban religion?  Certain ideas are banned in Europe, correct?

It is acceptable to ban certain religions if they are deemed harmful to the public good. For example, scientology is banned in several European countries.

Likewise, it is acceptable to ban certain practices, even if they are important to some religions. For example, certain countries ban ritual slaughter of animals.

Okay, I just wanted to see if you really were totalitarian.

[derspiess]

Not at all.  He might have made someone feel uncomfortable.

So? I think you're tilting at a straw man here.

Or maybe I honestly misread your post.  I thought you were saying Farage was getting close to illegal hate speech.

[Sheilbh]

Or maybe I honestly misread your post.  I thought you were saying Farage was getting close to illegal hate speech.

But Islamophobia's not illegal hate speech, nor should it be.

[dps]

As a non-Catholic Christian, I'm still waiting for Viking to tell me which 9 commandments I believe in.

[Ed Anger]

As a non-Catholic Christian, I'm still waiting for Viking to tell me which 9 commandments I believe in.

Can I guess which denomination?

Lutheran.

[PDH]

I believe in that one commandment that makes it illegal to quarter troops in my house.

[Ed Anger]

Hello sailor!