#Gamergate goes off the deep end

[garbon]

Depression Quest is a free game. It's not much of a game, apparently, being a "walking simulator" (whatever that is - I'm guessing it's a point and click type thing).

I just looked it up. Looks like an online text adventure about a depressed person.

[Jacob]

Depression Quest is a free game. It's not much of a game, apparently, being a "walking simulator" (whatever that is - I'm guessing it's a point and click type thing).

I just looked it up. Looks like an online text adventure about a depressed person.

Yeah, that's it.

Some people liked it, and it got an honorable mention in some indie developer competition or something, for being mildly clever in illustrating depression.

... and that, apparently, undermines gaming and is a feminist conspiracy etc etc

[derspiess]

Seems like there is a good deal of nastiness going in both directions, though some sources only seem to mention what the misogenerds are doing.

[LaCroix]

jacob, gamergate stems more from backlash over "social justice warriors" (SJW) and perceived influence SJWs have on videogames development/reviews. SJWs = tumblr feminists. it's been a pretty slow buildup for several years. reviewers raving over Gone Home, cherry-picked articles discussing perceived misogyny in character development, etc., helped add to the perception that these SJWs have a sort of control over the industry.

IIRC, the very start of gamersgate occurred over a dispute between zoe quinn and some kickstarter game (Fine Young Capitalists). 4chan got involved with promoting the game because they saw it as anti-SJW. the ex-boyfriend post very much added to the fire, but i don't know if that's conclusively where the "anti-corruption in the industry" mantra originated.

[Jacob]

Seems like there is a good deal of nastiness going in both directions, though some sources only seem to mention what the misogenerds are doing.

Yeah? What's some of the nastiness going on towards the gamergate crew?

[Jacob]

jacob, gamergate stems more from backlash over "social justice warriors" (SJW) and perceived influence SJWs have on videogames development/reviews. SJWs = tumblr feminists. it's been a pretty slow buildup for several years. reviewers raving over Gone Home, cherry-picked articles discussing perceived misogyny in character development, etc., helped add to the perception that these SJWs have a sort of control over the industry.

IIRC, the very start of gamersgate occurred over a dispute between zoe quinn and some kickstarter game (Fine Young Capitalists). 4chan got involved with promoting the game because they saw it as anti-SJW. the ex-boyfriend post very much added to the fire, but i don't know if that's conclusively where the "anti-corruption in the industry" mantra originated.

I don't doubt that's a thing that's been brewing for a while.

My personal take on that is that it's a giant crock of shit. I mean, I don't doubt that a bunch of people dubbed "SJW" are obnoxious and annoying and so on. But their influence is minimal outside their own insular circles. I mean... does anyone have a single example of a AAA game being influenced in any way by SJW shenanigans?

And if you are talking about "corruption" in the industry, why focus on the marginal influence that "SJW" types have rather than the access control, paid junkets, and straight up advertising-as-bribes that characterize most mainstream video game reviews?

I don't doubt that it did not spring up fully formed in response to Quinn's and Gjoni's breakup; I'm sure the various strand have been weaving for a while, so to speak. But the rage against SJW re: games is just as big a crock of shit as the more recent particulars precipitating this particular shit tornado. When it comes to AAA development, SJW influence is entirely non-existent.

Not sure how this will play out on the larger scale in the next little while. I don't really see how the industry could move much further away from SJW concerns, ever for people who find them obnoxious or outright hate them, and I do think this debacle will move some industry people to take them more seriously. Personally I've moved from basically ignoring Sarkeesian to thinking what she's doing is important given where we apparently are at.

[Valmy]

Depression Quest is a free game. It's not much of a game, apparently, being a "walking simulator" (whatever that is - I'm guessing it's a point and click type thing).

LOL seriously?  The massive amounts of corruptions swindling gamers into downloading a free game they might not like.

[garbon]

Depression Quest is a free game. It's not much of a game, apparently, being a "walking simulator" (whatever that is - I'm guessing it's a point and click type thing).

LOL seriously?  The massive amounts of corruptions swindling gamers into downloading a free game they might not like.

You laugh, V, but the struggle is real. Time wasted is money wasted, brah.

[Valmy]

Seems like there is a good deal of nastiness going in both directions, though some sources only seem to mention what the misogenerds are doing.

Oh?  How many sources have you read?  How have you gotten this vague seeming type feeling?  Think for that juicy nugget.

[CountDeMoney]

Seems like there is a good deal of nastiness going in both directions, though some sources only seem to mention what the misogenerds are doing.

Yeah? What's some of the nastiness going on towards the gamergate crew?

She's pointing her breasts at them.  Filthy whore.

[Valmy]

Seems like there is a good deal of nastiness going in both directions, though some sources only seem to mention what the misogenerds are doing.

Yeah? What's some of the nastiness going on towards the gamergate crew?

Things seem a certain way to him, his Spicey sense is tingling.

So disappointed in you Spicey I told it was idiotic and not to bother.

[Admiral Yi]

Jeez, why so nasty Valmy?

[CountDeMoney]

Even the mild-mannered Valmy gets fed up with derfetus's war on wymmyn from time to time.

[Valmy]

Jeez, why so nasty Valmy?

Exhausted really.  I have been in midterm exams mode for three straight weeks and going on just a few hours sleep.  Also Spicey post was idiotic and he just tossed in there like a troll bomb.  Vague claims of 'both sides being bad' along with accusations that anonymous 'sources' are being unfair?  Please.

[merithyn]

jacob, gamergate stems more from backlash over "social justice warriors" (SJW) and perceived influence SJWs have on videogames development/reviews. SJWs = tumblr feminists. it's been a pretty slow buildup for several years. reviewers raving over Gone Home, cherry-picked articles discussing perceived misogyny in character development, etc., helped add to the perception that these SJWs have a sort of control over the industry.

IIRC, the very start of gamersgate occurred over a dispute between zoe quinn and some kickstarter game (Fine Young Capitalists). 4chan got involved with promoting the game because they saw it as anti-SJW. the ex-boyfriend post very much added to the fire, but i don't know if that's conclusively where the "anti-corruption in the industry" mantra originated.

#gamergate started with Quinn's ex-boyfriend. The reason it took off was because there were enough people already pissed off at her because of her in-your-face claims about misogyny and abuse by other gamers. The FYC thing was pulled out of obscurity in order to show Quinn as this lying hack, and as a "social justice" thing that 4chan supported to say, "See?! We're really great people and Quinn is really a bitch."

Which it sounds like she is. But disliking a person and what they have to say doesn't okay treating her - or a myriad of others perceived to be like her - the way that the #gamergate crew are treating her. And the way that they went about it was pure intentional character assassination because they disagreed with her message. Again, not acceptable.