Scottish Independence

[Tamas]

What if: Argentina promises X amount of money per citizen if Falklands join them. Falklands demand a Scottish-style referendum.

[derspiess]

What if: Argentina promises X amount of money per citizen if Falklands join them. Falklands demand a Scottish-style referendum.

Falklanders aren't dumb enough to fall for that.  Especially if they're to be paid in Argie pesos.

[Sheilbh]

What if: Argentina promises X amount of money per citizen if Falklands join them. Falklands demand a Scottish-style referendum.

If they're stupid enough to fall for it then best of luck to them.

So what? The issue with the Falklands was never the sanctity of British territory, but that the people were being forced into a state they don't want to be in. They wanted to be connected to Britain not living under a fascist junta, understandably enough.

The way you talk it's as if Britain hasn't lost any historic territories over the last century or so

[Barrister]

What if: Argentina promises X amount of money per citizen if Falklands join them. Falklands demand a Scottish-style referendum.

That's fine.  I'm sure London would actually love to be rid of the Falklands actually.  It's just that peskily the Falkland Islanders really don't want to be part of Argentina (though who can blame them!).

I always thought Argentina would catch more Malvinas flies with honey...

[Viking]

What if: Argentina promises X amount of money per citizen if Falklands join them. Falklands demand a Scottish-style referendum.

If it is in Argentine funny money then this won't be a problem.

[Admiral Yi]

If they're stupid enough to fall for it then best of luck to them.

So what? The issue with the Falklands was never the sanctity of British territory, but that the people were being forced into a state they don't want to be in. They wanted to be connected to Britain not living under a fascist junta, understandably enough.

The way you talk it's as if Britain hasn't lost any historic territories over the last century or so

Maybe now that Argentina is a socialist basket case they'll change their minds.

[Gups]

Yes. But that doesn't mean the Tories would rule England in perpetuity. There's only been two elections since the war when the Scottish vote changed the result (1964 and 1974).

And 2010.

[Sheilbh]

That's fine.  I'm sure London would actually love to be rid of the Falklands actually.  It's just that peskily the Falkland Islanders really don't want to be part of Argentina (though who can blame them!).

I always thought Argentina would catch more Malvinas flies with honey...

Yep on both points. The Falklands costs a lot for a few rocks and some sheep. But the people feel and want to stay British, so we can't fob them off. Which is in part an unintended consequence of the way the Argentine government are. I always think it's similar with Gibraltar.

[Sheilbh]

Yes. But that doesn't mean the Tories would rule England in perpetuity. There's only been two elections since the war when the Scottish vote changed the result (1964 and 1974).

And 2010.

True enough. On that basis we can blame the Scots for Nick Clegg and hope they bugger off

[Tamas]

That's fine.  I'm sure London would actually love to be rid of the Falklands actually.  It's just that peskily the Falkland Islanders really don't want to be part of Argentina (though who can blame them!).

I always thought Argentina would catch more Malvinas flies with honey...

Yep on both points. The Falklands costs a lot for a few rocks and some sheep. But the people feel and want to stay British, so we can't fob them off. Which is in part an unintended consequence of the way the Argentine government are. I always think it's similar with Gibraltar.

That kind of turns back to my earlier point: if the yes wins today, what about the 40%+ population of Scotland who wants to stay in Britain as much as the Falklanders? How come the government may end up telling cca. 4 million people: "sorry guys, some blokes are taking your citizenship away, and saying no would be rude. Bye!"

[Tamas]

Although I must say, seeing all the socialist fapping over the idea of a free Scotland (my favourite has been this Scottish dude Sunday morning on BBC, becoming a Lenin-imitator in his enthusiasm for the coming creation of true socialism in Scotland), I might not be against not sharing a country with them
But of course I am just a recent guest here so I am not delving into politics much, nor feel like I am member of the political community.

[Eddie Teach]

That kind of turns back to my earlier point: if the yes wins today, what about the 40%+ population of Scotland who wants to stay in Britain as much as the Falklanders? How come the government may end up telling cca. 4 million people: "sorry guys, some blokes are taking your citizenship away, and saying no would be rude. Bye!"

Why would their citizenship be taken away? I mean, even Mono has a British passport...

[Sheilbh]

That kind of turns back to my earlier point: if the yes wins today, what about the 40%+ population of Scotland who wants to stay in Britain as much as the Falklanders? How come the government may end up telling cca. 4 million people: "sorry guys, some blokes are taking your citizenship away, and saying no would be rude. Bye!"

There's only 5-6 million people in Scotland.

But yeah. They lost the vote. That's a shame but I don't want to see the British state forcing the 50%+ population to stay in a country they don't want to be in. Saying no wouldn't be rude it'd be coercion of British citizens after a free vote. It'd be totally wrong.

Although I must say, seeing all the socialist fapping over the idea of a free Scotland (my favourite has been this Scottish dude Sunday morning on BBC, becoming a Lenin-imitator in his enthusiasm for the coming creation of true socialism in Scotland), I might not be against not sharing a country with them

Yeah. I think they're in for a rude awakening if they win. So far the SNP have been flirting with Murdoch, quietly chatting with the US about NATO bases and their only promise is a corporation tax cut. I actually suspect if yes won Scotland would go the Irish ultra-liberal route, not building a socialist paradise.

But of course I am just a recent guest here so I am not delving into politics much, nor feel like I am member of the political community.

In Scotland you'd be voting

[Josquius]

One odd thing I learned today- its not just Europeans in Scotland who can vote. My Kenyan friend who just moved there earlier this year can too.

It strikes me that if yes wins we could see massive population movements (by our standards anyway) over the next few years as people seek to be on the right side of the border and get the citizenship they want when independence comes.

re: the Falklands.
I'm pretty sure it has even been specifically said by the government that the goal with the Falklands, as it was for all other parts of the empire, is self rule. And with the potential for oil drilling in the area it could be on the cards someday soon.
Which could be an odd one if the Falklanders want to stay British; "Let us subsidise the motherland dammit!".

[Tamas]

That kind of turns back to my earlier point: if the yes wins today, what about the 40%+ population of Scotland who wants to stay in Britain as much as the Falklanders? How come the government may end up telling cca. 4 million people: "sorry guys, some blokes are taking your citizenship away, and saying no would be rude. Bye!"

Why would their citizenship be taken away? I mean, even Mono has a British passport...

If all Scottish citizens will also remain automatically British citizens, eligible for all the sweet things British welfare provides, minus the need to ever contribute a penny to it, well, then England will really be taken for a fool here.