Scottish Independence

[Admiral Yi]

North-South divide is mostly economic and a century ago was the other way round. That's it.

Economics, speech, drinking habits; Squeeze made the claim that Chavistan is closer culturally to lowland Scotland than to Greater London.

There's other differences but it's not another country

Just like Scotland, they've been a different country in the past.

All they're missing is kilts, a language no one speaks, and North Sea oil.

[Valmy]

Funny, I don't see things your way.  What I saw were a few Americans and a Hungarian saying the Scots were morons subject to propaganda by the YES side and unable to see for themselves what was good for them, for that, they needed American enlightment, wich holds that patriotism is totally different than nationalism, being a positive force, while nationalism is the root of all evil. According to Valmy, Nationalists are worst than nazis.

LOL all I said was that ethnically based states are a bad idea.  And somehow that means all nationalists are Nazis or something.  Oh wait worse than Nazis...which is impossible since Nazis were nationalists so does that mean the Nazis were the best nationalists?

[mongers]

Well England and possibly the rest of the UK, is now waking the fact the death-knell could be struck for the country they all live in, in 8 days time.  Kind of odd feeling. 

[Valmy]

Well England and possibly the rest of the UK, is now waking the fact the death-knell could be struck for the country they all live in, in 8 days time.  Kind of odd feeling. 

It will be close.  Maybe a late charge could still save the union.  Now is the time to federalize Britain.  All power to the shires!

Obligatory:

Bernard: Although there are many... convincing, some might say conclusive, arguments against it.

Humphrey: Some might indeed, Bernard.

Bernard: Yes. Why?

Humphrey: Because once you create genuinely democratic local communities, it won't stop there.

Bernard: Won't it?

Humphrey: Well, of course it won't. You see, once they get established, they'll insist on more power.  Politicians will be too frightened to withhold them, so you'll get regional government.

Bernard: Would that matter?

Humphrey: Bernard, come and sit down.  What happens at the moment if there is some vacant land in, say, Nottingham and there are rival proposals for its use: hospital, college, airport?

Bernard: We set up an inter-departmental committee: Health, Education, Transport, Environment.  Ask for papers, hold meetings, propose, discuss, revise, report back, re-draft.

Humphrey: Precisely.  Months of fruitful work.  Leading to a mature and responsible conclusion.  But if you have regional government, they decide it all in Nottingham!  Probably in a couple of meetings!  Complete amateurs!

Bernard: It is their city.

Humphrey: And what happens to us?

Bernard: Well, much less work.

Humphrey: Yes, much less work!  So little that ministers might be able to do it on their own, so we'd have much less power!

Bernard: I don't know if I want power.

Humphrey: If the right people don't have power, know what happens?  The wrong people get it!  Politicians, councilors, ordinary voters!

Bernard: But aren't they supposed to in a democracy?

Humphrey: This is a British democracy, Bernard!

Bernard: How do you mean?

Humphrey: British democracy recognises that you need a system to protect the important things of life and keep them out of the hands of the barbarians!  Things like the opera...Radio 3...the countryside... the law...the universities...both of them.

[Zoupa]

I did like them explaining how Scotland should not be suckered by the British government like they were by Canada's...because the situations are perfectly analogous for some reason.

You'll see.

[garbon]

Well England and possibly the rest of the UK, is now waking the fact the death-knell could be struck for the country they all live in, in 8 days time.  Kind of odd feeling. 

Would Scotland lead an armed revolt if the UK refused to honor the results of the referendum?

[Valmy]

I did like them explaining how Scotland should not be suckered by the British government like they were by Canada's...because the situations are perfectly analogous for some reason.

You'll see.

I suppose you would support independence for Corsicans and Languedoc as well  .  La France est une république indivisible!

Anyway I sure hope I see.  That would mean No wins.

[Jacob]

I did like them explaining how Scotland should not be suckered by the British government like they were by Canada's...because the situations are perfectly analogous for some reason.

You'll see.

Hey Zoupa!

[mongers]

Well England and possibly the rest of the UK, is now waking the fact the death-knell could be struck for the country they all live in, in 8 days time.  Kind of odd feeling. 

Would Scotland lead an armed revolt if the UK refused to honor the results of the referendum?

I can't imagine a situation where the Cabinet wouldn't honour the referendum result, parliament may behave differently, but I think the legality and the backing for the independence vote is unchallengeable.

This is after all, at heart, a divorce; you can't force one partner to stay in the marriage if they longer wish it.

[Valmy]

Even if they only 50.00000001% want it?

[garbon]

This is after all, at heart, a divorce; you can't force one partner to stay in the marriage if they longer wish it.

I think you can. We did it.

[mongers]

Even if they only 50.00000001% want it?

.0003 of a person difference? 

[Valmy]

Even if they only 50.00000001% want it?

.0003 of a person difference? 

She was only 99.9997% sure she wanted to vote no.

[garbon]

I mean was Valmy or any American decrying nationalism as an evil? (Though clearly it can be when taken to extremes) I only recall raising an eyebrow that nationalism was a cause of the American Revolution.

See past threads.  We've been discussing that for 14 years, at least.

Languish has only been around for about 11 though.

Also, that's a rather vague show of evidence.

[Valmy]

I mean was Valmy or any American decrying nationalism as an evil? (Though clearly it can be when taken to extremes) I only recall raising an eyebrow that nationalism was a cause of the American Revolution.

See past threads.  We've been discussing that for 14 years, at least.

Oh well I guess I need to arguing against some vague summary of 14 years then instead of something concrete.