Ebola and other Epidemics, Inadequate Healthcare Threatens Millions

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garbon

Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared.  I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod

Anyway:

It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.

Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.

http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html



Numbers 2, 3 and 4 (particularly 2) definitely get coverage.
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HVC

Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared.  I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod

Anyway:

It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.

Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.

http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html



Numbers 2, 3 and 4 (particularly 2) definitely get coverage.
all 10 caused more death than ebola, but i'll grant you that I was being a tad hyperbolic.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared.  I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod

Anyway:

It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.

Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.

http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html
This attitude makes me despair. It's why we have failed to intervene effectively. It is doubling every three weeks. By the spring it will outstrip every disease on that list.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Eddie Teach

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alfred russel

To take up for Tim, he overreacts to every news story, good and bad. See his optimism that we are going to have nuclear fusion or megawarp drives in five years when some random publication predicts it. What do you expect to do when all the major media outlets are giving prime coverage to a disease outbreak?

Regarding tetanus, if an article has ever been published regarding its effect on Africa, I am sure Tim has posted a thread on it, because he posts a thread on everything that makes it into the news. Maybe that thread died without any posts because no one is excited about discussing tetanus in Africa, or maybe such a news article has never been written because newsmen know that we don't care to read such articles, but either way, I think the fault is with us rather than Tim.
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-garbon, February 23, 2014

Ed Anger

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 08:17:16 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared.  I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod

Anyway:

It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.

Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.

http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html
This attitude makes me despair. It's why we have failed to intervene effectively. It is doubling every three weeks. By the spring it will outstrip every disease on that list.
And it's exactly what MSF was saying about in the article I posted on the last page.

QuoteMSF was ringing alarm bells in spring about the Ebola outbreak being out of control, but it took until August for WHO to recognise the scale of the threat and declare a "health emergency of international concern," a legal mechanism that flips switches in the international community so that funding and expertise are mobilised faster and protection measures are put in place.

"Every meeting where we've been trying to advise something, it's been a challenge," Liu says. "We had the feeling people didn't understand what we were talking about. They were just looking at the figures. When you look at the figures in absolute [compared with other diseases that kill many more people] people say 'why are we getting so excited?' But Ebola has completely killed the infrastructure of these countries. It is attacking the state and the health structures. We cannot afford to let that continue."

"I am running out of words to convey the sense of urgency. The despair is so huge and the indifference so incredible."
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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alfred russel

The panic we need to galvanize the masses against this disease is also what is causing the overreaction that makes the current state disastrous. It is a paradox. Whoa.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Valmy

Well it is absurd we need to generate a public panic to get appropriate action about this.  If I had but known I would have been preaching doom across Texas back in the spring.  I would have blamed Obama and a conspiracy of Liberals, that always gets the Texas public fired up.   The WHO has a lot to answer for.
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CountDeMoney

Quote"I am running out of words to convey the sense of urgency. The despair is so huge and the indifference so incredible."

Should've been sick on top of oil deposits.

Josephus

Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared.  I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod

Anyway:

It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.

Fuck, really?

We're so dooomed.
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jimmy olsen

Famine is starting to set in. :(

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/ebola-outbreak-famine-approaches-toadd-to-west-africas-torment-9799944.html

QuoteEbola outbreak: Famine approaches – bringing a fresh nightmare to West Africa

Sierra Leone's fields are without farmers. Its crops go un-reaped. In the quarantine areas, feeding is patchy – some get food, others don't. People then leave the enforced isolation in search of a meal, so Ebola spreads. In three West African countries where many already live a hand-to-mouth existence, the act of eating is increasingly rare.

Ebola, the virus that has ravaged Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea at an unprecedented rate, continues its devastating spread. The number of dead doubles with each passing month; the bodies unburied. More lives are devastated with each passing day.

And in the absence of a mass-produced vaccine, its treatment – enforced isolation, mass quarantines – now threatens to bring a new crisis: starvation.

Earlier this month, two children who were among the thousands orphaned by the virus, were visited by aid workers in Liberia's capital, Monrovia. At the time, the workers did not have the resources to take the children away. When they returned days later, the children were dead. They died not from Ebola, but starvation.

Yesterday, as the World Health Organisation warned that more than 4,500 people would be dead before the end of the week, a new threat to West Africa's stability emerged: three quarters of a million people may die from malnutrition, as an unprecedented modern famine follows the disease – if urgent action is not taken.

While Ebola's direct consequences prompt terror, its indirect results are equally disturbing – food prices spiral, farms are abandoned, meals are scarce and those most in need, the estimated 4,000 orphans of the virus, go hungry.

Speaking on the eve of World Food Day,  Denise Brown, the United Nations World Food Programme's regional director for West Africa, said: "The world is mobilising and we need to reach the smallest villages in the most remote locations.

"Indications are that things will get worse before they improve. How much worse depends on us all."

The UN agency estimates that it has provided food to a little over half a million people in the three worst-hit countries. It is aiming to feed at least another 600,000 before the end of October.

But for Tom Dannatt, founder and chief executive of Street Child, a specialist West Africa children's charity, the food crisis in West Africa is not unexpected.

If current projections are correct, there could be up to 10,000 Ebola cases a week in West Africa before Christmas. That would, if mortality projections of 70 per cent remain correct, result in 7,000 deaths every week and thousands more orphans.

Speaking to The Independent yesterday, Mr Dannatt described the "very patchy" feeding programmes in Sierra Leone and Liberia.

"Some get food, others don't," he said. "They go unfed and they don't have the right nutrients and they are then susceptible to disease. They break the quarantine and go out in town to eat [so] the infection spreads."

Some districts in Sierra Leone have been under quarantine for 10 weeks.

"Life in those districts – it's like holding your breath: you can do it for a while, but you can't do it for huge periods," said Mr Dannatt. "It's the most vulnerable that reach the sharp end first."

Yesterday, Koinadugu in the country's far north – the last district where Ebola had not previously reached – recorded its first two cases.

Mr Dannatt said food prices in quarantined districts had increased by up to 100 per cent for certain goods, while opportunities to earn money were greatly reduced.

"Villagers and agricultural workers are frightened to go out to the field to do their normal work. They are frightened to go market as well," he said.

On Monday, Kanayo Nwanze, president of the UN International Fund for Agricultural Development, said that up to 40 per cent of farms have been abandoned in the worst-affected areas of Sierra Leone. There are already food shortages in Senegal and other countries in West Africa, because regional trade has been disrupted.

According to the World Food Programme's survey of people in the Kailahun and Kenema districts of Sierra Leone – where most Ebola cases have been reported – many are resorting to desperate measures to cope – often making do with scraps.

In Lofa County, the worst affected rural area in Liberia, the price of food and other commodities increased from 30 to 75 per cent, just in August. The NGO Action Against Hunger said the price of cassava – a key staple – increased by almost 150 per cent in the Liberian capital, Monrovia, during the first week in August.

It is not just food that is scarce in Liberia. The country and its overwhelmed government also faces a projected shortage of 80,000 body bags to bury the dead and 100,000kg of chlorine powder to disinfect quarantine zones.

"Everyone from the governments of Liberia and Sierra Leone, through to the international donor community, has been slow on the medical response and on the food response," said Mr Dannatt.

"This has been coming as obviously and clearly as light at the end of the night." He added: "The excuse is, 'We're focused on just stopping Ebola'. If find it frustrating when people say the hungry will get through it. I wonder whether that division is an accurate one. If we made sure every quarantined family was fed a proper ration they wouldn't break out and infect others."

An Oxfam spokesperson said yesterday: "The priority for Oxfam and other aid agencies at this stage is to bring the Ebola outbreak under control by scaling up our response.

"Nevertheless, the wider impact of this crisis is already tangible. People are losing their income as fields, markets and goods are inaccessible, and [are] thus being pushed further into poverty.

"There is less local food in markets and what is there is becoming more expensive. In some areas, this already means that people do not have enough food to eat. This crisis has wiped away years of development gains, hard-won after brutal civil wars, which is likely to increase the fragility of the countries and stability of the region."

Mr Dannatt added: "The saving Grace of West Africa in terms of Ebola may be in this miniscule, overblown link to the West; that it might come and get you – it's bewildering and extraordinary."
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

garbon

Ebola Czar in the house!

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-taps-former-biden-aide-ron-klain-as--ebola-czar-144859279.html

QuoteObama taps former Biden aide Ron Klain as 'Ebola czar'

A well regarded manager, not a doctor, called in to fix the federal response

President Barack Obama has picked Ron Klain, an inside-the-Beltway veteran and well regarded manager, to oversee and fix the wobbly federal government response to West Africa's deadly Ebola outbreak.

"The president has asked Ron Klain to take on the task of coordinating his administration's whole of government Ebola response," the White House said. His formal title will be "Ebola response coordinator."

Klain, a former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, "will report directly" to Obama Homeland Security Adviser Lisa Monaco and National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

His job will be to ensure "that efforts to protect the American people by detecting, isolating and treating Ebola patients in this country are properly integrated but don't distract from the aggressive commitment to stopping Ebola at the source in West Africa," the White House said.

Klain, a veteran of political knife fights like the 2000 presidential election recount in Florida, is generally well regarded in Congress by Democrats and Republicans for his managerial skills. As Biden's chief of staff, Klain oversaw the implementation of the 2009 economic stimulus package.

Klain, a lawyer by training, currently runs Case Holdings, which oversees the business and charity interests of former AOL Chairman Steve Case. He is also general counsel at the Washington-based venture capital firm Revolution LLC.
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

derspiess

It's like the Onion said, Ebola is "easily Africa's 4th or 5th most pressing concern".
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Valmy

I am pretty sure it is the top concern in Liberia and Sierra Leone.  The Onion may be right that places in Africa thousands of miles away it is probably pretty low down the list.  Good thing we are only talking about those places and not the entire continent.
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