[de Blasio] Living in a post-Bloomberg era

[garbon]

A police officer, a paramedic, a rabbi, a nurse, and a Boy Scout leader walk into the Protective Custody Unit on Riker's Island...

The idea of some sort of walking into a bar joke did cross my mind when I first read the article.

[DGuller]

As disgusting is at is to view child porn, I have real problems with putting people in prison merely for viewing it.  It seems dangerously close to a thought crime, and another one of those punishments thought up by people who think of the children.  If someone is wired to be perverted in such a way, I'd much rather have them look at images of naked children than actual naked children they have authority over.

Without getting too far into, that last defendant was certainly guilty of more than a thought crime.

I wasn't talking about everyone charged, just the vast majority.  It did say right before that "Authorities say some of the defendants had access to young children, though there were no reports of abuse."

[CountDeMoney]

As disgusting is at is to view child porn, I have real problems with putting people in prison merely for viewing it.

Well I dont, so fuck you and your Martinusesque rationalizing.  Fuckhead.

[Barrister]

As disgusting is at is to view child porn, I have real problems with putting people in prison merely for viewing it.  It seems dangerously close to a thought crime, and another one of those punishments thought up by people who think of the children.  If someone is wired to be perverted in such a way, I'd much rather have them look at images of naked children than actual naked children they have authority over.

But someone generated those pictures of naked children, and those children are continuously re-victimized as those pictures are re-downloaded.

[DGuller]

As disgusting is at is to view child porn, I have real problems with putting people in prison merely for viewing it.  It seems dangerously close to a thought crime, and another one of those punishments thought up by people who think of the children.  If someone is wired to be perverted in such a way, I'd much rather have them look at images of naked children than actual naked children they have authority over.

But someone generated those pictures of naked children, and those children are continuously re-victimized as those pictures are re-downloaded.

That is true, but should we also punish pot smokers for mass murders in Mexico?

[Razgovory]

As disgusting is at is to view child porn, I have real problems with putting people in prison merely for viewing it.  It seems dangerously close to a thought crime, and another one of those punishments thought up by people who think of the children.  If someone is wired to be perverted in such a way, I'd much rather have them look at images of naked children than actual naked children they have authority over.

But someone generated those pictures of naked children, and those children are continuously re-victimized as those pictures are re-downloaded.

That is true, but should we also punish pot smokers for mass murders in Mexico?

Yes! Also Barrister has the right of it.

[Valmy]

But someone generated those pictures of naked children, and those children are continuously re-victimized as those pictures are re-downloaded.

So forms of child porn that do not involve actual children are fine then?

[Valmy]

Yes! Also Barrister has the right of it.

Shocked you feel this way.

[Sheilbh]

That is true, but should we also punish pot smokers for mass murders in Mexico?

No. We should punish them for possession of pot, just like people with child porn are punished for possession of child porn - not child abuse.

[Valmy]

That is true, but should we also punish pot smokers for mass murders in Mexico?

No. We should punish them for possession of pot, just like people with child porn are punished for possession of child porn - not child abuse.

That is the plan.  So far we have the highest incarceration rate in the world and drug use is not seriously being impacted....

Plan B?

[Sheilbh]

That is the plan.  So far we have the highest incarceration rate in the world and drug use is not seriously being impacted....

Plan B?

Fine. Whatever.

My point was that DGuller's child porn analogy is wrong not a comment on drug policy

[DGuller]

That is true, but should we also punish pot smokers for mass murders in Mexico?

No. We should punish them for possession of pot, just like people with child porn are punished for possession of child porn - not child abuse.

Except the punishment for possession of child porn is idiotically extreme under the theory that your possession of porn abuses some child.

[Sheilbh]

Except the punishment for possession of child porn is idiotically extreme under the theory that your possession of porn abuses some child.

How is it idiotically extreme?

It doesn't work fully but a better analogy is perhaps poaching and trade of products from endangered species.

[DGuller]

Years in prison and sex offender registry for life extreme.

[Syt]

That is true, but should we also punish pot smokers for mass murders in Mexico?

No. We should punish them for possession of pot, just like people with child porn are punished for possession of child porn - not child abuse.

Except the punishment for possession of child porn is idiotically extreme under the theory that your possession of porn abuses some child.

A strong aspect of this is also victim protection. By sharing/selling pictures of a child being abused you basically repeat the abuse. By declaring possession legal, it could be argued that in hindsight you validate the abuse.

Time for some roleplaying.

Let's say you were abused as a child by a close friend or relative who taped the whole thing and sold it to whoever wanted. Add the trauma and counselling on your side. And that the images or videos of it are floating around the internet, 20 years later. And that they may very well continue to do so till the day you die, and that possession of videos of you sucking cock with tears running down your cheeks is completely legal (or tolerated).

A gray area (and many countries seem to handle it differently) are cases of fiction - either in drawing or word.