Ukraine's European Revolution?

[derspiess]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-warns-russia-ukraine-nudges-georgia-west-180724720--politics.html

The United States on Wednesday warned Russia against a military intervention in Ukraine as it renewed demands that Moscow withdraw troops from disputed enclaves in another former Soviet republic, Georgia. The U.S. also urged Georgia to further integrate with Europe and NATO in calls that come amid growing tensions between Russia and the West over the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Moscow president.

[Queequeg]

"some level of Russian influence" could mean anything.  Be specific.

Greater than it was at the height of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the nadir of Russian power after the Time of Troubles?

[derspiess]

Urban myth.  They were never worse than the Eastern European average and have improved substantially since then.

I guess the Putin Youth sex camps have had some effect.

[Admiral Yi]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-warns-russia-ukraine-nudges-georgia-west-180724720--politics.html

The United States on Wednesday warned Russia against a military intervention in Ukraine as it renewed demands that Moscow withdraw troops from disputed enclaves in another former Soviet republic, Georgia. The U.S. also urged Georgia to further integrate with Europe and NATO in calls that come amid growing tensions between Russia and the West over the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Moscow president.

Obama starts a nuclear war!  Squeelus has an aneurism!

[Queequeg]

Urban myth.  They were never worse than the Eastern European average and have improved substantially since then.

I guess the Putin Youth sex camps have had some effect.

People don't have babies during times of economic collapse.  Look at how tiny the Silent Generation was.

[Sheilbh]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-warns-russia-ukraine-nudges-georgia-west-180724720--politics.html

The United States on Wednesday warned Russia against a military intervention in Ukraine as it renewed demands that Moscow withdraw troops from disputed enclaves in another former Soviet republic, Georgia. The U.S. also urged Georgia to further integrate with Europe and NATO in calls that come amid growing tensions between Russia and the West over the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Moscow president.

Any minute I expect to see David Miliband popping up in Tbilisi proclaiming 'we're all Georgians now'

[crazy canuck]

How important is access to the Black Sea through the Crimea to the economy of the Ukraine?

[Queequeg]

Am I Russia's Will Graham here?

[Neil]

Am I Russia's Will Graham here?

You're probably the biggest Russophile on the board.

[CountDeMoney]

Am I Russia's Will Graham here?

More like the biggest Borat.

[Sheilbh]

Am I Russia's Will Graham here?

You're probably the biggest Russophile on the board.

...Only?

[crazy canuck]

Am I Russia's Will Graham here?

You're probably the biggest Russophile on the board.

Is there any competition?

[Neil]

Am I Russia's Will Graham here?

You're probably the biggest Russophile on the board.

Is there any competition?

...  Probably not.  I think most of us have a fairly realistic view of Russia:  That it is a place inhabited by evil people that produces nothing that is any good.  Even the natural gas they produce is used to heat European homes, which reduces the ability of Euros to be all ball-of-lighty.

[derspiess]

How important is access to the Black Sea through the Crimea to the economy of the Ukraine?

Dunno, but if they lost it they'd still have Odessa.

[Queequeg]

Am I Russia's Will Graham here?

You're probably the biggest Russophile on the board.

...Only?

You're not instinctively hostile to Russian culture, though your insistent belief that Europe is a "thing" that needs protecting rather than some squibbly lines on a map of Eurasia and the outgrowth of a coal-sharing agreement leads you to some conclusions I find problematic.  Minsky is too rational to maintain Boomer or Gen-X Russophobia.