Massive use of chemical weapons in Syria, 1,429 killed including 426 children

[crazy canuck]

BTW, Kerry should be fired for making up policy on the fly and giving Assad and Putin the out they needed to distract from the fact that ASSAD GASSED A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN DAMASCUS.

Apparently Assad has peed his pants and has run off somewhere.  Isnt that good enough for you?

[crazy canuck]

What are the chances that the next time Syria uses chemical weapons Russia simply says "see I told you it was the Rebels.  All the Syrian chemical weapons have been accounted for"

Nobody is going to accept a monitoring regime that is dependent on Russian good faith.

A couple of months ago I would have said nobody is going to accept a chemical attack on a civilian population.  But even if your assumption holds - how many years do you think it will take to negotiate the necessary protocals?

[Viking]

BTW, Kerry should be fired for making up policy on the fly and giving Assad and Putin the out they needed to distract from the fact that ASSAD GASSED A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN DAMASCUS.

Apparently Assad has peed his pants and has run off somewhere.  Isnt that good enough for you?

To be honest, the best information out there is that Assad didn't actually order the attack. The order was given by another high level member of the clique as a reaction to an assassination attempt on Assad.

[Admiral Yi]

A couple of months ago I would have said nobody is going to accept a chemical attack on a civilian population.  But even if your assumption holds - how many years do you think it will take to negotiate the necessary protocals?

If it's going to happen, 2 months for an agreed framework, 2 more months to get it up and running.  If a chem attack takes place during that time, everything gets deleted and we're back to square one.

[Malthus]

What are the chances that the next time Syria uses chemical weapons Russia simply says "see I told you it was the Rebels.  All the Syrian chemical weapons have been accounted for"

Nobody is going to accept a monitoring regime that is dependent on Russian good faith.

What does lack of acceptance look like?

[Admiral Yi]

What does lack of acceptance look like?

It looks like the president giving a speech and Congress holding a vote.

And our allies the British and Canadians issuing statements of moral support.

[Malthus]

What does lack of acceptance look like?

It looks like the president giving a speech and Congress holding a vote.

And our allies the British and Canadians issuing statements of moral support.

Point is, if it doesn't look like the US smashing the shit outta Assad (with or without consensus support), it looks like a win for him.

[Admiral Yi]

Point is, if it doesn't look like the US smashing the shit outta Assad (with or without consensus support), it looks like a win for him.

Debateable.  I think if the US does not smash and Assad never uses chems again it looks very much like a win for the good guys.

[Malthus]

Point is, if it doesn't look like the US smashing the shit outta Assad (with or without consensus support), it looks like a win for him.

Debateable.  I think if the US does not smash and Assad never uses chems again it looks very much like a win for the good guys.

It isn't all about Assad. It is in part about the next time the US says to some bad guys "X behaviour is unacceptable and will be met with force".

Everyone, particularly said bad guys, will be thinking "last time, what the US mean by 'force' was a couple of weeks of dithering, followed by a diplomatic agreement involving Russia, followed by months of wrangling, followed by the 'remedial measures' being found 'unacceptable', followed by speeches ... ".

[Razgovory]

Didn't know Putin was held in such esteem around here.

[Viking]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/09/russia_s_role_in_syria_putin_s_new_york_times_op_ed_is_all_hypocrisy_and.html


what this guy said..

[Malthus]

Giving Putin the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in this would be the turd icing on this particular shit cake. 

[Admiral Yi]

It isn't all about Assad. It is in part about the next time the US says to some bad guys "X behaviour is unacceptable and will be met with force".

Everyone, particularly said bad guys, will be thinking "last time, what the US mean by 'force' was a couple of weeks of dithering, followed by a diplomatic agreement involving Russia, followed by months of wrangling, followed by the 'remedial measures' being found 'unacceptable', followed by speeches ... ".

....followed by the bad guy peeing his pants when it looked like the US was starting to get serious.

Can it reasonably be interpreted that there will be one get out of jail free card before there are serious repercussions?  Sure.  If you think that's suboptimal, lobby the other weenie countries to pitch in.

[Viking]

Giving Putin the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in this would be the turd icing on this particular shit cake. 

Don't worry, Jagland the head of the committe hates putin's guts... though he'd never say it out-loud.

[lustindarkness]

If wars were still fought the way they were, we would not be in all these mess. Since Korea and Vietnam.

War should be destroy or conquer. If not worth nuking or taking over, not worth getting involved.

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