Massive use of chemical weapons in Syria, 1,429 killed including 426 children

[lustindarkness]

I don't care for war and getting sent to them,  but if not for the Iraq war languish would not be here.

[garbon]

I don't care for war and getting sent to them,  but if not for the Iraq war languish would not be here.

I don't know. I don't know how much time we could have continued to spend at P'dox OT. Particularly as the company gained wider recognition.

[mongers]

I don't care for war and getting sent to them,  but if not for the Iraq war languish would not be here.

You've got some serious silver-lining going on there. 

[CountDeMoney]

I recall you cheer-leading for the operation and subsequently changing your tune.

I recall arguing on the legality of the action, not the necessity.  May be a small difference to you, but it works for lawyers.
I wanted to go after Iran after the Axis of Evil speech, but nooooo.....

But your yourself were recalling the 1980s citing:

especially after the formalization of US policy against the use of WMDs since 1986?

Which anyway held no water, given the subsequent US intelligences efforts that helped Saddam in targeting chemical weapons attacks.

In a battlefield deployment against Iranian Revolutionary Guard elements utilizing human wave attacks during the Karbala Offensive?  Sorry, but I'm not going to be shedding any tears over that call. 

[derspiess]

That plus a nickel equals five cents.

Pithy.

With a verifiable regime Assad will no longer be able to claim the other guys did it.

Poor delusional Yi

[CountDeMoney]

I don't care for war and getting sent to them,  but if not for the Iraq war languish would not be here.

You've got some serious silver-lining going on there. 

Yeah dude, that's some weak ass string-pulling there. 

[Maximus]

There is a vigorous on-going debate right now whether based on a) and b) or anything else we need to strike.  Half the public is against.  Congress is split.

Really? I haven't seen it. I've seen a lot about Obama having to stick to his red line comment as if he made that up, a lot about having to "appear strong". A lot of knee-jerk pro- and anti-war sentiment.

Very little about principles or long-term consequences.

[Admiral Yi]

Really? I haven't seen it. I've seen a lot about Obama having to stick to his red line comment as if he made that up, a lot about having to "appear strong". A lot of knee-jerk pro- and anti-war sentiment.

Very little about principles or long-term consequences.

Fine, cut it any way you want to.  It still doesn't add up to a no-brainer implied promise to smash anyone who uses chemical weapons.

[Syt]

The Syria thing was just a cover up for Obama's failed domestic policies:

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-big-cover-up-why-obama-really-wants-to-go-to-war-in-syria/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=Share+Buttons

THE BIG COVER UP – WHY OBAMA REALLY WANTS TO GO TO WAR IN SYRIA

Let's take an honest look at what Obama is doing to black Americans and his own most loyal supporters. It is, in a word...unimaginable.

It all starts with Syria. Why Syria? Why now? Until Russia interceded, going to war in Syria seemed the most important thing in the world to Obama and his Secretary of State John Kerry. They seemed DESPERATE to go to war, at any costs.

But why? Syria has nothing to do with us. They are not threatening us. Their own war is a civil war with no "good guys." How does America benefit from a war with Syria? Why did Obama suddenly decide a "red line" has been crossed, when there are "red lines" all over the world- including the killing of Christians and the burning of 71 Christian churches in Egypt. Why is it so important to risk American lives to defend the Syrian rebels- who are partners with Al Qaeda, America's sworn enemy? We didn't go to war to avenge the murder of our own citizens at Benghazi, so why would we go to war to avenge Al Qaeda deaths in Syria? None of this makes any sense at all.

Until you realize it's a massive cover-up. Obama's WMD- Weapon of Mass Distraction. Obama is desperate to cover-up the facts about his dying economy and the damage he's done to his own most loyal voters. Obama has destroyed the lives of the very people who consider him "the American Idol."How bad is Obama's economy? Forget the 7.3 percent unemployment rate that is reported by the government. That's pure fraud and propaganda. That figure goes down only because hundreds of thousands of Americans drop out of the workforce. In other words, if you stop looking for work, and go on food stamps and welfare, Obama says the unemployment number just got better!

The only truth about unemployment is found in the Labor Force Participation Rate of 63 percent. That's the lowest in four decades. For men it's the lowest since record-keeping began in the 1940's. What this means is 37 percent of the able-bodied, working age adults in America are not only not working, they've given up looking for work.

Even worse, a unimaginable percentage of those who are employed have only part-time jobs. Seventy-seven percent of the new jobs created since January 1st are part-time jobs. That's not good folks. Studies show 1-in-4 part-time workers live in poverty, while only 1-in-20 full-time workers live in poverty. So millions of Americans under Obama who show up as "employed" are merely working their way towards poverty. And millions of others who have full-time jobs are working at McDonalds, or working as waiters, or bartenders, or janitors. Those are the only jobs left under Obama. The middle class is being slaughtered.

Here are the two most ironic points about this slow-motion train wreck called the Obama economy:

Obamacare is the number one culprit destroying real jobs. Business owners are done. No smart business owner in all of America will lift a finger to create a full-time, high-paying job with benefits. It just makes no economic sense anymore. So Obama's signature achievement has not only created a part-time economy, but all those people in part-time jobs don't have health insurance. This should be a Saturday Night Live skit. The man has created nationalized health care so that everyone loses their jobs and no one has health care. Insanity. Unless your goal is to create an entire nation of Americans living in poverty, dependent on government welfare.

Secondly, here's the really sad, tragic, and ironic fact of the Obama economy. Obama hurts the ones he loves. Obama's policies are destroying the very people who elected and believed in him. It's almost as if Obama is out to destroy his own voters. Let's take a look at who is suffering the most from this Obama Great Depression.

Obama won the 2012 election with a razor thin 51 percent of the vote. His biggest supporters were blacks (93 percent voted for Obama), Hispanics (71 percent), single women (67 percent), young people (60 percent), and those without a high school diploma (64 percent). This is the loyal foundation of Barack Hussein Obama. This is who made him President, without a single qualification, except being a community organizer.

Now let's look at how Obama repays his loyal fans. New research out just last week proves that since 2009 income for black heads of households dropped by 10.9 percent. For Hispanic heads of households it dropped by 4.5 percent. For single women head of households it dropped by 7 percent. For young people (under age 25) it dropped by 9.6 percent. For those with a high school diploma or less, income dropped by 8 percent.

In dollar terms the numbers are even worse. Female incomes are down by $2,300 per year under Obama; black incomes are down over $4,000 per year; Hispanic incomes are down by $2,000 per year.

How about actual unemployment figures for Obama's fans? We see the same results. Reported unemployment (a bogus figure) is 7.3 percent. But among blacks (who voted 93 percent for Obama) it is an unimaginable 13.3 percent. Among Hispanics it's 9.4 percent. Among black youth it's 20.9 percent. Among teens it's 23.7 percent.

The black middle class is being destroyed. Black homeownership has slipped to the lowest level in decades.

But perhaps the worst statistic of all is the unemployment plus under-employment rate for college graduates under age 25: 18.3 percent. That means new college graduates (also big supporters of Obama) not only can't find a decent full-time job in the Obama economy, at the same time they are saddled with the highest student debt in history. That could be why we have the highest student loan default rates in history.

So what does a President, who couldn't find a job if it hit him in the head, do to keep the masses of his own voters from revolting and rioting in the streets? Go to war.

Create a distraction. Make people look away from the scene of the tragedy. Create a "situation" that induces patriotism. Make the masses rally around the President. And if that "situation" happens to help unemployment by sending unemployed young people and minorities off to war, BINGO- you've just hit the lottery!

That is the answer to the questions "Why Syria? Why now? How does this benefit America?" Obama's war is a desperate attempt to keep his own most loyal supporters from noticing that his policies have ruined their lives and set their economic progress back decades. His policies have sent black Americans in particular hurtling back to the days of poverty and racial inequality.

Obama is desperate to keep his own voters from noticing he is the worst thing to happen to them in their lifetimes. His socialist policies don't solve poverty, they cause poverty. And it's no surprise. Socialism, income redistribution, big taxes, big spending, big unions, and big government have caused poverty in every nation they've ever been tried.

Obama, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Chavez. Same people. Same policies, Same results.

They always hurt the masses. They always victimize their own voters. They always hurt the ones they claim to love. A sick, dysfunctional death spiral.

History will not look kindly on Barack Hussein Obama. Trust me, this death spiral has only just begun.

Reference to Benghazi? Check! Plight of Christians in Muslim countries? Check! Comparisons to Mao and Stalin? Check!

[CountDeMoney]

So what does a President, who couldn't find a job if it hit him in the head, do to keep the masses of his own voters from revolting and rioting in the streets? Go to war.

Create a distraction. Make people look away from the scene of the tragedy. Create a "situation" that induces patriotism. Make the masses rally around the President. And if that "situation" happens to help unemployment by sending unemployed young people and minorities off to war, BINGO- you've just hit the lottery!

Boy, he's so on point with that, you'd think it's been done before.   

[Phillip V]

Relax.

Rewind 8 years:

"The Iraq thing was just a cover up for Bush's failed domestic policies."

Obama is the Democratic version of Bush.

[The Minsky Moment]

  They can renege, they can welch, they can waffle, they can weasel, but presumably those acts will have consequences. 

What consequences would those be?

[Berkut]

  They can renege, they can welch, they can waffle, they can weasel, but presumably those acts will have consequences. 

What consequences would those be?

Depends on whether or not we draw a "red line" or not.

[Admiral Yi]

What consequences would those be?

Remains to be seen.  My prediction is they will be more than the nothing you and the other naysayers are expecting.

[The Minsky Moment]

What consequences would those be?

Remains to be seen.

So back to Square 1.