Massive use of chemical weapons in Syria, 1,429 killed including 426 children

Started by jimmy olsen, August 21, 2013, 05:35:55 PM

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derspiess

I think we should keep drawing red lines until Assad realizes we mean business.  Or something...
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Syt

http://www.theguardian.com/global/middle-east-live/2013/sep/09/syria-crisis-russia-kerry-us-live

QuoteSyria crisis: Russia calls on Assad to destroy chemical arsenal - live updates

QuoteDamascus has heartily welcomed a Moscow proposal to undertake a purported disarmament project that coincidentally would make it more difficult for US leaders planning strikes to claim all diplomatic avenues had been exhausted, while not detracting from Assad's day-to-day warmaking ability.


WW3 appears to be delayed for a bit more. :P
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Quote from: Legbiter on September 09, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
So when's the Pimpslap, aye or nay vote?

I think it'd be cool as shit to fire off the Tomahawks right in the middle of the POTUS address to the nation tomorrow night.  That's the way the ol' Gipper would do it.

Jacob

When is congress going to have a vote on this? Is it going to be put off and waffled for a while, or is it happening soon?

Razgovory

Quote from: Jacob on September 09, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
When is congress going to have a vote on this? Is it going to be put off and waffled for a while, or is it happening soon?

They were on vacation until this week.
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garbon

Quote from: Jacob on September 09, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
When is congress going to have a vote on this? Is it going to be put off and waffled for a while, or is it happening soon?

Suggestions are senate vote likely this week and then house either this week or next.
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Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 09, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
When is congress going to have a vote on this? Is it going to be put off and waffled for a while, or is it happening soon?

Suggestions are senate vote likely this week and then house either this week or next.

Thanks :)

Interesting times.

It looks like the "consult congress" course of action has proven unpopular with the languish constituency. How's it playing generally in the US?

derspiess

Quote from: Jacob on September 09, 2013, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 09, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
When is congress going to have a vote on this? Is it going to be put off and waffled for a while, or is it happening soon?

Suggestions are senate vote likely this week and then house either this week or next.

Thanks :)

Interesting times.

It looks like the "consult congress" course of action has proven unpopular with the languish constituency. How's it playing generally in the US?

It's less nuanced, but public opinion is pretty firmly against action.
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Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2013, 04:17:11 PMIt's less nuanced, but public opinion is pretty firmly against action.

So on Languish we have "Obama is weak and waffling. Bah."
In America we have "we don't want to get involved, so Obama waffling suits us just fine."
And in the House of Representatives and the Senate we have "what the hell do we do with this?"

Is that a more or less accurate generalization?

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derspiess

Quote from: Jacob on September 09, 2013, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2013, 04:17:11 PMIt's less nuanced, but public opinion is pretty firmly against action.

So on Languish we have "Obama is weak and waffling. Bah."
In America we have "we don't want to get involved, so Obama waffling suits us just fine."
And in the House of Representatives and the Senate we have "what the hell do we do with this?"

Is that a more or less accurate generalization?

Languish: I guess

America: I wouldn't say teh people approve of his waffling.  They may be indifferent to it.  But Obama is not doing a good job selling this to them.  He is set up for political embarrassment at this point, but my gut is that his poll numbers won't move much.

Congress:  One big, hairy mess.  Some want boots on the ground, others are "hell no, we won't go".  Some Dems are with the Prez solely out of duty to be good Dems, some Republicans oppose him just to oppose him, both parties' leadership seems to support, but you have a strange coalition of lefty anti-war types, libertarians, and paleoconservatives in lockstep against it.
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