Massive use of chemical weapons in Syria, 1,429 killed including 426 children

[Jacob]

Whoosh.

I was playing along with your joke, dumbass.

[Sheilbh]

The policy to be adopted toward Syria IMO is obvious: he is a very bad guy who will stop at nothing, he is a key hinge point in the Iran-Hezbollah axis, he is our enemy and we (the West) should be against him.  As to what that should entail, there is plenty of room for argument.  But he is not the enemy of our enemy.  He is the enemy of all breathing humans in his country who are not Alawite and who object to his iron fist.

Agreed.

The ordinary Sunni in Syria is not a radical Islamist terrorist, but when the only people that stand up to protect them from atrocities are radical Islamists, it should not be surprising that those types grow in influence. 

I've no idea if this is true but it seems likely to me that as a civil war goes on the more the extremes are likely to dominate both sides.

I find the confidence everyone here seems to have about who would win the civil war in Syria a bit confusing. If the Assad regime collapsed wouldn't that just probably lead to a continuing civil war between the numerous different rebel groups?

[Ed Anger]

Oh boy, Syria and Iran are threating Israel if there is a strike. UNLEASH THE JEWS.

[CountDeMoney]

If the Assad regime collapsed wouldn't that just probably lead to a continuing civil war between the numerous different rebel groups?

It'll be Lebanon writ large.

[derspiess]

Whoosh.

I was playing along with your joke, dumbass.

Then just ignore it.  No need to resort to name-calling.

[OttoVonBismarck]

If the Assad regime collapsed wouldn't that just probably lead to a continuing civil war between the numerous different rebel groups?

It'll be Lebanon writ large.

Exactly what I was going to say. Unless various entities funding rebels back off and one powerful sugar daddy props up a group against all the others I don't see it coming to a conclusion for any one side anytime in the near future.

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah, between Hezbollah being limited in its ability to fight a war it's not even really in the mood to fight and how there aren't enough pro-Sunni militias for the Gulf States to support with any real expectation of success, there's not going to be any real conclusive result without some serious proxy player coming in--we're not in the mood, the Russians aren't in a position to play and I sincerely doubt France or anybody else is, either.  And you can definitely count out an Israeli invasion, a la '82.

It'll just degenerate into a big, old fashioned, no-definitive-winner civil war mess for a few more years.

[Ed Anger]

I'm sorta amused that Maher Assad's 4th Armored division is considered 'elite'.

[CountDeMoney]

They're playing down to the level of their opponents.  Just need coachin' up.

[Ed Anger]

Great. They are the Cleveland Browns with Tim Couch.

[Viking]

I'm sorta amused that Maher Assad's 4th Armored division is considered 'elite'.

Elite in that sense is not Elite as in the Seals or the Royal Marines; Elite in this sense is "consisting of the elite of society" and thus not likely to revolt. They are all cousins and nephews of the ruling class.

[Scipio]

Now, thousands of Syrians can die from our chemical HE weapons!  Huzzah!

[derspiess]

Now, thousands of Syrians can die from our chemical HE weapons!  Huzzah!

You're not suggesting there may be some serious unintended consequences, are you? 

[jimmy olsen]

Somehow I don't think that would work out well for them... 
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4422473,00.html

Syrian official: Israel 'will come under fire' if Syria attacked

Top member of Assad's party warns 'We have strategic weapons aimed at Israel.' Russia objects to intervention, cautions against repeat of 'past mistakes'

Roi Kais
Published:    08.26.13, 16:47 / Israel News

   A member of the Syrian Ba'ath national council Halef al-Muftah, until recently the Syrian propaganda minister's aide, said on Monday that Damascus views Israel as "behind the aggression and therefore it will come under fire" should Syria be attacked by the United States.

In an interview for the American radio station Sawa in Arabic, President Bashar Assad's fellow party member said: "We have strategic weapons and we can retaliate. Essentially, the strategic weapons are aimed at Israel."

Al-Muftah stressed that the US's threats will not influence the Syrain regime and added that "If the US or Israel err through aggression and exploit the chemical issue, the region will go up in endless flames, affecting not only the area's security, but the world's."

Earlier this week the Syrian top official said that an attack of this kind will expand the circle of hostilities beyond Syria. According to him, it may bring about a world-war, the extent of which cannot be foretold.

Talking to the Arabic-language Iranian channel al-Alam, al-Muftah said that the US is unable to attack Syria since Syria's retaliatory capabilities are well-known, and will be directed at Israel – according to him, the entity which pulls the Americans strings.

At the same time, another senior Syrian official, Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mikdad, issued similar statements in an interview for AP, saying that his country will defend itself against any international attack.



He added that strikes against Syria would trigger "chaos" and threaten worldwide peace and security.

He said a UN team in Damascus currently investigating the alleged use of chemical weapons should be allowed to do its work, before the world makes any judgment.

UN inspectors examine wounded

US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Monday the Obama administration was studying intelligence on Syria's purported use of chemical weapons and "will get the facts" before acting.

Speaking with reporters after meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Hagel said, "We are analyzing the intelligence and we will get the facts and if there is any action taken it will be in concert with the international community and within the framework of a legal justification."

On Monday afternoon UN inspectors arrived at the Damascus suburb were the chemical attack allegedly occurred, and examined the bodies of the disease for evidence of the banned weapons.

"I am with the team now," the doctor who uses the name Abu Karam told Reuters by telephone from rebel-held Mouadamiya.

"We are in the Rawda mosque and they are meeting with the wounded. Our medics and the inspectors are talking to the patients and taking samples from the victims now."

Also Monday, the German government suggested for the first time that it would support an international military response if it is confirmed that Assad's troops attacked opponents with chemical weapons.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said Monday that if UN inspectors confirm the use of chemical weapons, "it must be punished."

Past mistakes?

Meanwhile, Russia warned Western powers against any military intervention in Syria, saying the use of force without a UN mandate would be a grave violation of international law.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Moscow had no plans to be drawn into a military conflict over the civil war in Syria and that Washington and its allies would be repeating "past mistakes" if they intervened in Syria.

"The use of force without the approval of the United Nations Security Council is a very grave violation of international law," Lavrov told a news conference at which he discussed accusations by rebel forces that Syrian government forces have used chemical weapons.

Russia is Syrian President Bashar Assad's key ally and one of its main arms suppliers, and a veto-wielding member of the Security Council.

Expressing concern about statements suggesting NATO had the right to intervene after a chemical attack without securing the approval of the United Nations, Lavrov said the unapproved use of force would "sharply aggravate" the situation.

He urged the West not to go down the "dangerous path" it had taken several times before and added: "We have no plans to go to war with anyone."

"If anybody thinks that bombing and destroying the Syrian military infrastructure, and leaving the battlefield for the opponents of the regime to win, would end everything - that is an illusion," Lavrov said.

[Ed Anger]

Ed's War Boner Def Con level: 1

Confidence is HIGH. Prepare for pizza orders. Snacks are to be placed in readiness.