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Arab Spring, Round 2

Started by Savonarola, June 28, 2013, 01:24:30 PM

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Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2013, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 29, 2013, 10:03:18 AM
"He went to Egypt because he cared profoundly about the Middle East, and he planned to live and work there in the pursuit of peace and understanding."

He is not the first and will not be the last person killed in the Middle East in that pursuit.

You have to be one courageous person to spend any time in Egypt these days as a foreigner.

He was a lefty and an Obamazombie, trying to prove how wrong those evil republicans are.

He was a Jew.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Siege

Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2013, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 29, 2013, 10:03:18 AM
“He went to Egypt because he cared profoundly about the Middle East, and he planned to live and work there in the pursuit of peace and understanding.”

He is not the first and will not be the last person killed in the Middle East in that pursuit.

You have to be one courageous person to spend any time in Egypt these days as a foreigner.

He was a lefty and an Obamazombie, trying to prove how wrong those evil republicans are.

He was a Jew.

American Jew.

And?



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Tonitrus

Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Doesn't that quality as a coup?  :unsure:

I guess that kind of "soft" coup is at least progress...

Siege

Raz, you should know by now that I don't play the race card.

Unless I can shamessly use it for my own benefit.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2013, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2013, 03:21:06 PM
Che Guevera posters were a hint.

When you say "they" (the protesters) are anti-corporate, do you mean at least one is, a majority is, a signficant minority is, or what?

If there's one pattern to your argumentation I would change if given God-like powers, it would be this tendency to generalize from anecdotal data points.  I.e. one Republican in Oklahoma says Muslims should be expelled from the US, you report it as "Republicans want to expel Muslims citizens." (This is a hypothetical Raz.)

It's a relatively effective tactic when trading bumper sticker political slogans, when the objective is to defame your opponent and accuracy is a secondary consideration, but it's not helpful in the context of an open exchange of viewpoints of people trying to come to an understanding of a question like what do these protesters actually want.

Man I'm going nuts these days with the complex sentence structures.

I was basing my impression on several things.  The whole "occupy Taksim", the use of communist iconography, the fact they many are rallying around the old socialist party banner, etc.  Are all of them against that, no, but it's at least a significant minority.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2013, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 29, 2013, 10:03:18 AM
"He went to Egypt because he cared profoundly about the Middle East, and he planned to live and work there in the pursuit of peace and understanding."

He is not the first and will not be the last person killed in the Middle East in that pursuit.

You have to be one courageous person to spend any time in Egypt these days as a foreigner.

He was a lefty and an Obamazombie, trying to prove how wrong those evil republicans are.

He was a Jew.

American Jew.

And?

There aren't enough of you guys around to start throwing under the bus because your conservative friends say so.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Siege

Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2013, 02:55:16 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2013, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 29, 2013, 10:03:18 AM
“He went to Egypt because he cared profoundly about the Middle East, and he planned to live and work there in the pursuit of peace and understanding.”

He is not the first and will not be the last person killed in the Middle East in that pursuit.

You have to be one courageous person to spend any time in Egypt these days as a foreigner.

He was a lefty and an Obamazombie, trying to prove how wrong those evil republicans are.

He was a Jew.

American Jew.

And?

There aren't enough of you guys around to start throwing under the bus because your conservative friends say so.

So, you think I am incapable of independent thought and I only repeat what Mark Levin tells me to say?


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


DGuller

Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2013, 03:06:48 PM
So, you think I am incapable of independent thought and I only repeat what Mark Levin tells me to say?
I personally don't think that you're incapable of independent thought.  I do think, however, that you're incapable of lucid independent thought.

Savonarola

Quote from: Tonitrus on July 01, 2013, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Doesn't that quality as a coup?  :unsure:

I guess that kind of "soft" coup is at least progress...

Turkey had a couple coups like that; the Coup by Memorandum (1971) and the Postmodern Coup (1997.)  The former resulted in a couple years of military rule.

It's tempting to see parallels between this and some of the Turkish Coups.  In Turkey they usually happened when political violence was rampant and the economy was in decline like Egypt today.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Ed Anger

Coup by Memorandum

HR are bastards.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

garbon

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Draft-Egypt-army-road-map-to-change-constitution-318457

QuoteEgypt's armed forces would suspend the constitution and dissolve an Islamist-dominated parliament under a draft political roadmap to be pursued if Islamist President Mohamed Morsi and the liberal opposition fail to agree by Wednesday, military sources said.

The sources told Reuters the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) was still discussing details and the plan, intended to resolve a political crisis that has brought millions of protesters into the streets, could be changed based on political developments and consultations.

Chief-of-staff General Abdel Fattah El-Sisi called in a statement on Monday for Mursi to agree within 48 hours on power-sharing with other political forces, saying the military would otherwise set out its own road-map for the country's future.
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Ed Anger

I didn't know you could launch a coup by e-mail.

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Viking

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 01, 2013, 10:32:15 AM
A fine use of a billion dollars ever year. Might as well burn it and save everybody the trouble.

I agree a fine use. Had the US not spent those billions the Egyptian Army would not remain loyal to Washington.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

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